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Animal vs. Animal Pictorial; These are accounts of natural confrontations. Animal Cruelty NOT intended.
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RojJones	Jul 9 2014, 10:48 PM Post #496
Omnivore Posts: 1,101 Group: Members Member #1,715 Joined: Sep 26, 2013



VenomousDragon	Jul 10 2014, 04:29 AM Post #497
Omnivore Posts: 1,648 Group: Members Member #484 Joined: Jul 31, 2012	Taipan Jul 9 2014, 07:09 PM JackLumber Jul 9 2014, 07:06 PM ]Rubbish, key parts of a predators diet are species that the predator relies on for survival Ie cougars and deer, lynx and hare, wildcats and small rodents etc etc The idea that if monitors did disappear it would cause a sharp decline like if the prey animals in the above relationships were removed is not something I'm about to swallow without a proper study into the diet of australian feral cats. Its pretty basic, the number of cats would go up if large lizards stopped eating any of them and so large lizard help control feral cats. Simple really. You have no idea what you are talking about. Read what the scientist said in the article. If you still cant understand it - dont bother responding. This is how the admin handles the burden of proof? That's just sad really. You made an outlandish claim and instead of trying to prove it, you claimed I didn't understand. Seeing as you have been unable to properly refute me, I'm just going to take this as a concession of the arguement.



Vivyx	Jul 10 2014, 05:22 AM Post #498
Felines, sharks, birds, arthropods Posts: 12,563 Group: Members Member #877 Joined: Dec 2, 2012	Red fox vs Arctic fox:



Black Ice	Jul 10 2014, 05:31 AM Post #499
Drom King Posts: 14,216 Group: Members Member #422 Joined: Jul 4, 2012	Why did I know RojJones was gonna post a dead lizard after this?



Vivyx	Jul 10 2014, 06:04 PM Post #500
Felines, sharks, birds, arthropods Posts: 12,563 Group: Members Member #877 Joined: Dec 2, 2012	He's a huge cat fan (I am too, but not to an extent that he is). He once said a cougar would beat an American Black Bear 9/10 at average weights. Edited by Vivyx, Oct 25 2016, 06:11 AM.



Vivyx	Jul 10 2014, 06:08 PM Post #501
Felines, sharks, birds, arthropods Posts: 12,563 Group: Members Member #877 Joined: Dec 2, 2012	Looks like a fight's going to happen.....



221Extra	Jul 10 2014, 06:17 PM Post #502
Deny, deny, deny. Posts: 1,830 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: Jan 11, 2012	Mongoose vs rat snake. Tigress vs Gaur: "Though this is not a very good image but the story behind this picture is very interesting. Very famous Pandharpauni female (Maya) of TATR was sitting near Tadoba lake. She was sitting there from previous day. In the evening when park was about to close, a group of 10-12 Gaur came to the lake from nowhere. This Gaur came so close to tigress that she charged on him. Surrounding was shocked by the sudden alarm calls of langurs and deer. The gaur escaped from Jaws of Death and we were stunned to see the lifetime event."



Taipan	Jul 10 2014, 08:26 PM Post #503
Administrator Posts: 18,011 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Feb 25, 2011	Catboy Jul 10 2014, 06:04 PM He's a huge cat fan. . We all are. Judging by the response to Black Ices photo - the humble cat is held as the ultimate Carnivoran. A picture of a lizard kiling a much smaller cat, is hailed as a big triumph!



Taipan	Jul 10 2014, 08:32 PM Post #504
Administrator Posts: 18,011 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Feb 25, 2011	JackLumber Jul 10 2014, 04:29 AM Taipan Jul 9 2014, 07:09 PM JackLumber Jul 9 2014, 07:06 PM ]Rubbish, key parts of a predators diet are species that the predator relies on for survival Ie cougars and deer, lynx and hare, wildcats and small rodents etc etc The idea that if monitors did disappear it would cause a sharp decline like if the prey animals in the above relationships were removed is not something I'm about to swallow without a proper study into the diet of australian feral cats. Its pretty basic, the number of cats would go up if large lizards stopped eating any of them and so large lizard help control feral cats. Simple really. You have no idea what you are talking about. Read what the scientist said in the article. If you still cant understand it - dont bother responding. This is how the admin handles the burden of proof? That's just sad really. I find your ignorance sadder. JackLumber Jul 10 2014, 04:29 AM You made an outlandish claim and instead of trying to prove it, you claimed I didn't understand. I have to prove that predators benefit from from the presence of prey animals??? Are you really this simple? "Monitor Lizards support and increase cat numbers - they are a key part of the cats diet." Very outlandish! JackLumber Jul 10 2014, 04:29 AM Seeing as you have been unable to properly refute me, I'm just going to take this as a concession of the arguement. There's nothing to refute. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.



VenomousDragon	Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM Post #505
Omnivore Posts: 1,648 Group: Members Member #484 Joined: Jul 31, 2012	Pathetically immature. What you have to prove is that monitors themselves are "key" parts of feral cat diets, constituting a reasonably large portion of prey animals taken. I'm no more likely to take the passing words of a local "expert" from a local news article as set in stone fact than I am to take any other unproven claim I see on this site.



Taipan	Jul 11 2014, 12:26 AM Post #506
Administrator Posts: 18,011 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Feb 25, 2011	JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM Pathetically immature. You are the one struggling here. JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM What you have to prove is that monitors themselves are "key" parts of feral cat diets, constituting a reasonably large portion of prey animals taken. I'm no more likely to take the passing words of a local "expert" from a local news article as set in stone fact than I am to take any other unproven claim I see on this site. Well I suggest you start learning rather than posting any more ignorant statements. I also suggest you start finding some evidence. Your baseless claims are falling flat. Cat predation on Monitors: "Research with Rosenberg’s Goanna (Green, Rismiller, McKelvey) has shown that feral cats are persistent predators. They frequently catch subadult goannas, opportunistically kill adults and in two cases have been documented to deliberately stalk and kill adult goannas. “…At 1600 hrs on 27 March 1996 we were radio tracking a female goanna which had been known in the study population for seventeen years. The signal came from an area that she seldom used. She was tracked to the entrance of a cat den in a mallee root burrow. The freshly killed carcass was found with six other dead goannas. All animals had been dead less than six hours. All had been killed with a single bite in the back of the head. Five were known individuals with implanted identification microchips. Using daily tracking records and home range maps for each individual goanna it was calculated that the greatest distance of probable catch from the cat den as approximately two kilometres. Circumstances suggest that the female cat had prior knowledge of each goannas activity pattern (at this time of year, many goannas have a daily foraging circuit) and had deliberately stalked, killed and brought the prey back to her kittens. The female cat was trapped and over the next five days six kittens were trapped or shot at the den (unpublished data, PLRC 1996).” http://www.echidna.edu.au/projects/feral/feral_peggy.pdf Do you think the fact that these feral cats persistant predation on Monitor Lizards is of benefit to the Cats? Again - "Monitor Lizards support and increase cat numbers - they are a key part of the cats diet." Are you still struggling to understand? Has it dawned on you yet that predators benefit from from the presence of prey animals? Let us know! Edited by Taipan, Jul 11 2014, 12:29 AM.



VenomousDragon	Jul 11 2014, 01:58 AM Post #507
Omnivore Posts: 1,648 Group: Members Member #484 Joined: Jul 31, 2012	Taipan Jul 11 2014, 12:26 AM JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM Pathetically immature. You are the one struggling here. JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM What you have to prove is that monitors themselves are "key" parts of feral cat diets, constituting a reasonably large portion of prey animals taken. I'm no more likely to take the passing words of a local "expert" from a local news article as set in stone fact than I am to take any other unproven claim I see on this site. Well I suggest you start learning rather than posting any more ignorant statements. I also suggest you start finding some evidence. Your baseless claims are falling flat. Cat predation on Monitors: "Research with Rosenberg’s Goanna (Green, Rismiller, McKelvey) has shown that feral cats are persistent predators. They frequently catch subadult goannas, opportunistically kill adults and in two cases have been documented to deliberately stalk and kill adult goannas. “…At 1600 hrs on 27 March 1996 we were radio tracking a female goanna which had been known in the study population for seventeen years. The signal came from an area that she seldom used. She was tracked to the entrance of a cat den in a mallee root burrow. The freshly killed carcass was found with six other dead goannas. All animals had been dead less than six hours. All had been killed with a single bite in the back of the head. Five were known individuals with implanted identification microchips. Using daily tracking records and home range maps for each individual goanna it was calculated that the greatest distance of probable catch from the cat den as approximately two kilometres. Circumstances suggest that the female cat had prior knowledge of each goannas activity pattern (at this time of year, many goannas have a daily foraging circuit) and had deliberately stalked, killed and brought the prey back to her kittens. The female cat was trapped and over the next five days six kittens were trapped or shot at the den (unpublished data, PLRC 1996).” http://www.echidna.edu.au/projects/feral/feral_peggy.pdf Do you think the fact that these feral cats persistant predation on Monitor Lizards is of benefit to the Cats? Again - "Monitor Lizards support and increase cat numbers - they are a key part of the cats diet." Are you still struggling to understand? Has it dawned on you yet that predators benefit from from the presence of prey animals? Let us know! Lol Indeed I am struggling, struggling to understand how someone so profoundly stupid managed to become staff in the first place. Currently you are tasked with backing up the claim that monitor lizards constitute a large portion of feral cats' diet, this can only be done with scientific study on the subject (not a small portion of a paper about a single species) produce one or shut up. Are you still struggling to understand? Has it dawned on you yet that cats do not benfit from large lizard eating them? how can you be soo damn stupid that you out right denied that lizards even somewhat lower feral cat populations when there is pictoral evidence right in front of you? Simple fact: cat population when lagre lizards eat them<cat population when they dont



RojJones	Jul 11 2014, 05:16 AM Post #508
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kingkazma	Jul 11 2014, 08:50 AM Post #509
Apex Predator Posts: 6,207 Group: Members Member #1,971 Joined: Dec 11, 2013	JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 01:58 AM Taipan Jul 11 2014, 12:26 AM JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM Pathetically immature. You are the one struggling here. JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 12:10 AM What you have to prove is that monitors themselves are "key" parts of feral cat diets, constituting a reasonably large portion of prey animals taken. I'm no more likely to take the passing words of a local "expert" from a local news article as set in stone fact than I am to take any other unproven claim I see on this site. Well I suggest you start learning rather than posting any more ignorant statements. I also suggest you start finding some evidence. Your baseless claims are falling flat. Cat predation on Monitors: "Research with Rosenberg’s Goanna (Green, Rismiller, McKelvey) has shown that feral cats are persistent predators. They frequently catch subadult goannas, opportunistically kill adults and in two cases have been documented to deliberately stalk and kill adult goannas. “…At 1600 hrs on 27 March 1996 we were radio tracking a female goanna which had been known in the study population for seventeen years. The signal came from an area that she seldom used. She was tracked to the entrance of a cat den in a mallee root burrow. The freshly killed carcass was found with six other dead goannas. All animals had been dead less than six hours. All had been killed with a single bite in the back of the head. Five were known individuals with implanted identification microchips. Using daily tracking records and home range maps for each individual goanna it was calculated that the greatest distance of probable catch from the cat den as approximately two kilometres. Circumstances suggest that the female cat had prior knowledge of each goannas activity pattern (at this time of year, many goannas have a daily foraging circuit) and had deliberately stalked, killed and brought the prey back to her kittens. The female cat was trapped and over the next five days six kittens were trapped or shot at the den (unpublished data, PLRC 1996).” http://www.echidna.edu.au/projects/feral/feral_peggy.pdf Do you think the fact that these feral cats persistant predation on Monitor Lizards is of benefit to the Cats? Again - "Monitor Lizards support and increase cat numbers - they are a key part of the cats diet." Are you still struggling to understand? Has it dawned on you yet that predators benefit from from the presence of prey animals? Let us know! Lol Indeed I am struggling, struggling to understand how someone so profoundly stupid managed to become staff in the first place. Currently you are tasked with backing up the claim that monitor lizards constitute a large portion of feral cats' diet, this can only be done with scientific study on the subject (not a small portion of a paper about a single species) produce one or shut up. Are you still struggling to understand? Has it dawned on you yet that cats do not benfit from large lizard eating them? how can you be soo damn stupid that you out right denied that lizards even somewhat lower feral cat populations when there is pictoral evidence right in front of you? Simple fact: cat population when lagre lizards eat them<cat population when they dont Err dude , you might want to be a little more respectful....



Taipan	Jul 11 2014, 02:01 PM Post #510
Administrator Posts: 18,011 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Feb 25, 2011	JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 01:58 AM Lol Indeed I am struggling, struggling to understand how someone so profoundly stupid managed to become staff in the first place. Cause I'm a lot smarter than you as thread testifies. You cant even grasp the idea that prey populations support predator numbers. I really think if you are trying to impress or save yourself from this position you foolishly put yourself in, you stop with the insults and try finding some evidence to support what ever you are trying to say. Thus far as expected you have failed. JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 01:58 AM Currently you are tasked with backing up the claim that monitor lizards constitute a large portion of feral cats' diet, this can only be done with scientific study on the subject (not a small portion of a paper about a single species) produce one or shut up. key - not large - theres a difference. Anything a predator eats is important. Every piece of evidence in this thread has stated that monitors are persistently predated by cats - in some cases 6 in one day. I know thats hard for you to understand - but just try - a carnivore benefits from the presence of prey animals - it gives them something to eat, and allows them to hunt 'another day'. I will try to dumb this concept down further for you if required. JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 01:58 AM Are you still struggling to understand? Has it dawned on you yet that cats do not benfit from large lizard eating them? how can you be soo damn stupid that you out right denied that lizards even somewhat lower feral cat populations when there is pictoral evidence right in front of you? I am not dumbass enough like you to sum up a relationship from 1 picture. Cats win the 'numbers game'. The presence of monitors supports their populations rather than limits them. "Monitor lizards apparently control feral cat populations in Australia somewhat" - no - Feral cats threaten many of Australias reptile species - including species of Monitor Lizards. If you dont agree - can you post some counter evidence. You've failed so far. JackLumber Jul 11 2014, 01:58 AM Simple fact: cat population when lagre lizards eat them<cat population when they dont Again you show you ignorance. That one cat that dies from being killed by a monitor - is a small price to pay for the benefits cats have for preying on Monitors - something I have established they do persistently, regularly and in significant numbers. You have established nothing.



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