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At what size do felids and canids become deadly
Topic Started: Jan 12 2012, 02:57 AM (6,275 Views)
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Apr 29 2013, 08:01 AM
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Apr 29 2013, 07:58 AM
I think that 50 pounds or so is about right for a feline, whereas for a canine maybe 70 to 80 pounds.

The only reason that I believe felines can get away with it at smaller sizes is that they tend to ambush and they always, always go for the throat for a kill. Dogs on the other hand know that the throat is ideal, but will go for the whatever they can latch on when they can't reach it, arm, leg, groin, ear, etc., particularly nasty. This makes cats more efficient killers per se. But not more efficient fighters. If I was forced to face off against either a 120 pound mountain lion or a 120 pound wolf, I'd rather fight the cat. Granted I'd be bloody and scratched all over but I'd rather deal with the less debilitating bites of a cat then the thrashing, ripping, bites that dogs like to do.
THANK YOU! Glad I'm not the only one that thinks like that! Added wolves eat you alive whereas puma don't.
Yeah, I'd rather live, but if I had to die, I'd rather it be by cat... :unsure:
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Wyvax
Apr 29 2013, 07:58 AM
I think that 50 pounds or so is about right for a feline, whereas for a canine maybe 70 to 80 pounds.

The only reason that I believe felines can get away with it at smaller sizes is that they tend to ambush and they always, always go for the throat for a kill. Dogs on the other hand know that the throat is ideal, but will go for the whatever they can latch on when they can't reach it, arm, leg, groin, ear, etc., particularly nasty. This makes cats more efficient killers per se. But not more efficient fighters. If I was forced to face off against either a 120 pound mountain lion or a 120 pound wolf, I'd rather fight the cat. Granted I'd be bloody and scratched all over but I'd rather deal with the less debilitating bites of a cat then the thrashing, ripping, bites that dogs like to do.
THANK YOU! Glad I'm not the only one that thinks like that! Added wolves eat you alive whereas puma don't.
Yeah, I'd rather live, but if I had to die, I'd rather it be by cat... :unsure:
Same. Dogs are more brutal than cats when it comes to killing an animal.
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Black Ice
Apr 29 2013, 08:01 AM
Wyvax
Apr 29 2013, 07:58 AM
I think that 50 pounds or so is about right for a feline, whereas for a canine maybe 70 to 80 pounds.

The only reason that I believe felines can get away with it at smaller sizes is that they tend to ambush and they always, always go for the throat for a kill. Dogs on the other hand know that the throat is ideal, but will go for the whatever they can latch on when they can't reach it, arm, leg, groin, ear, etc., particularly nasty. This makes cats more efficient killers per se. But not more efficient fighters. If I was forced to face off against either a 120 pound mountain lion or a 120 pound wolf, I'd rather fight the cat. Granted I'd be bloody and scratched all over but I'd rather deal with the less debilitating bites of a cat then the thrashing, ripping, bites that dogs like to do.
THANK YOU! Glad I'm not the only one that thinks like that! Added wolves eat you alive whereas puma don't.
I rather face an animal that only has one way to inflict damage then an animal that has usable jaws and claws and a flexible body.
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Well that's on you. If you want to be eaten alive and ragdolled by a wolf over a quick bite to kill like a leopard. By all means be my guest ^_^ everyone knows dogs kill more brutally than cats.
Edited by Black Ice, Apr 29 2013, 08:45 AM.
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Apr 29 2013, 08:39 AM
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Apr 29 2013, 08:01 AM
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Apr 29 2013, 07:58 AM
I think that 50 pounds or so is about right for a feline, whereas for a canine maybe 70 to 80 pounds.

The only reason that I believe felines can get away with it at smaller sizes is that they tend to ambush and they always, always go for the throat for a kill. Dogs on the other hand know that the throat is ideal, but will go for the whatever they can latch on when they can't reach it, arm, leg, groin, ear, etc., particularly nasty. This makes cats more efficient killers per se. But not more efficient fighters. If I was forced to face off against either a 120 pound mountain lion or a 120 pound wolf, I'd rather fight the cat. Granted I'd be bloody and scratched all over but I'd rather deal with the less debilitating bites of a cat then the thrashing, ripping, bites that dogs like to do.
THANK YOU! Glad I'm not the only one that thinks like that! Added wolves eat you alive whereas puma don't.
I rather face an animal that only has one way to inflict damage then an animal that has usable jaws and claws and a flexible body.
Ditto, i'd rather fight a 120 pound wolf than a 120 pound cougar, obviously the wolf could tear chunks out of me, but it would (relatively speaking) easier to restrain the wolf, keep a tight grip on it's neck and keep it pinned, with the cougar you have the flailing arms and claws to worry about even if you managed to restrain it's head.

Either way, a 120 pound wolf or 120 pound cougar would be able to kill the average human.
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Apr 29 2013, 08:04 AM
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Apr 29 2013, 08:03 AM
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Apr 29 2013, 08:01 AM
Wyvax
Apr 29 2013, 07:58 AM
I think that 50 pounds or so is about right for a feline, whereas for a canine maybe 70 to 80 pounds.

The only reason that I believe felines can get away with it at smaller sizes is that they tend to ambush and they always, always go for the throat for a kill. Dogs on the other hand know that the throat is ideal, but will go for the whatever they can latch on when they can't reach it, arm, leg, groin, ear, etc., particularly nasty. This makes cats more efficient killers per se. But not more efficient fighters. If I was forced to face off against either a 120 pound mountain lion or a 120 pound wolf, I'd rather fight the cat. Granted I'd be bloody and scratched all over but I'd rather deal with the less debilitating bites of a cat then the thrashing, ripping, bites that dogs like to do.
THANK YOU! Glad I'm not the only one that thinks like that! Added wolves eat you alive whereas puma don't.
Yeah, I'd rather live, but if I had to die, I'd rather it be by cat... :unsure:
Same. Dogs are more brutal than cats when it comes to killing an animal.
True, but if attack dogs were trained to go for the throat instead of limbs...

Imagine a sharp 70 lb mal hitting flying into you, seizing you by the throat and not your arm. All his momentum would be directed at your tender neck. That'll be a short lived struggle. Dog bite fatality data from the last two decades suggests that grown men are more difficult for dogs to kill.
Edited by Vita, Apr 29 2013, 08:54 AM.
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To a human a wolf is no easier to restrain than a puma due to how we lack claws and sufficient strength to stop them from shaking out of our grappling attempts.
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Apr 29 2013, 09:01 AM
True.

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To a human a wolf is no easier to restrain than a puma due to how we lack claws and sufficient strength to stop them from shaking out of our grappling attempts.
Yes... I know... that's why I said in my first post the average person would get killed regardless if it was a 120 pound wolf or cougar attacking them.

The point I was trying to make was that it would be comparably easier to restrain a wolf than a cougar if the human for hypothetical reasons was physically capable of matching them, because if you manage to restrain or control the wolfs head, then you've basically got control of the dangerous end. Do the same with a cougar, you've still got the claws to worry about, and they will deeply lacerate the persons extremities, perhaps sever an artery. The wolf's claws will not be that much of a risk.

Although maybe Vladimir Kruglov was right when he said, "you see here ears are her steering wheel. You can shut off her teeth with her ears". If it worked on a 200 pound tigress it would probably work on a cougar or wolf, though I doubt the average person has the necessary composure or nerves to try this method of defense with an attacking predator lol
Edited by Full Throttle, Apr 30 2013, 12:40 AM.
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A wolfs head is a little large to be trying to control it with nothing but fingers and nails don't you think?
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I've read of pitbull sized dogs killing people before but I think a fit man should be able to kill one. The smallest dog I see being able to kill a man more often than not is a malinois or gsd with some training behind it. Any larger, capable dog should best the average man. As for cats, I honestly think a large clouded leopard would do it. Anything larger would decisively win.
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Apr 29 2013, 10:08 AM
A wolfs head is a little large to be trying to control it with nothing but fingers and nails don't you think?
H.Y.P.O.T.H.E.T.I.C.A.L.L.Y speaking if a person HAD THE THEORETICAL capabilities to potentially beat a 120 pound wolf or 120 pound cougar they would end the wolf a SOMEWHAT EASIER prospect due to the head being the only real worry.

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A wolfs head is a little large to be trying to control it with nothing but fingers and nails don't you think?
H.Y.P.O.T.H.E.T.I.C.A.L.L.Y speaking if a person HAD THE THEORETICAL capabilities to potentially beat a 120 pound wolf or 120 pound cougar they would end the wolf a SOMEWHAT EASIER prospect due to the head being the only real worry.

HYPOTHETICALLY BOTH WOULD BE EQUALLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE WOLVES HAVE A HABIT OF BITING AND SHAKING WHAT'S IN THEIR JAWS AND DUE TO HUMANS LACK OF CLAWS OR STRENGTH WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO CONTROL WHERE A WOLF DECIDES TO PUT ITS HEAD.

IS THIS HYPOTHETICALLY SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?
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Bull terrier breeds at 40 pounds, and cats at the same size. There are sadly enough several cases of sbt and apbt killing adult men. Breed of dog is the key here. I would not give 80 pound golden retriver much of a chance compared to a 40 pound apbt, sbt or ebt. But with that being said, with this sizes, I meant when they potentially could be able to do it, a healthy strong man would most likely come out on top, but definently with injuries, and at that size bull terrier breeds and cats such as CL and euro lynx could be fatal.
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