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At what size do felids and canids become deadly
Topic Started: Jan 12 2012, 02:57 AM (6,273 Views)
Black Ice
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May 1 2013, 04:22 PM
Sicilianu
May 1 2013, 10:52 AM
I will say that in practice, most veterinary techs and handlers would rather handle an angry dog than an angry cat. It is much easier to control the former, even when it is large. Having said that, if it were about a fight to the death, I would rather fight a cat than a dog.

Errrm you make no sense.... so eventhough a dog even a large one if far easiar to control you would still rather fight a cat???

The animal that is easiar to control is the one thats going to do less damage and is the one that is easiar to beat.

Trying to control just a small domestic cat is way way harder then a dog of a similar size now turn that cat into a caracal,Euro lynx or CL and you are in for a huge amount of pain.... turn that into a Apbt and all you have to focus on is the head.....nothing else matters.....im sorry but that sounds like a far easiar task to me.

To a human a large dog is not easier to control than large a cat. I've explained this bloody twice.

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DAMN! Tho I once fell out a tree and had a deep gash on my leg. Didn't even notice until I saw the blood running from my pants leg. Adrenaline is some epic shit!

I change tho. I think 90-100lbs is the bare minimum now. I doubt many people (including felinepowah) would allow themselves to be killed by a 50lb damn cat. Even if it was a cl.
Edited by Black Ice, May 1 2013, 10:02 PM.
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FP, the maximum amount of damage a domestic cat can do is less than the maximum amount of damage a dog can do. This is why I would prefer to fight a cat "to the death." On a daily basis, the cat is more likely to hurt you, but these are often not serious injuries. Wounds from cat are more likely to be contaminated though, so they are worrisome from that perspective. Notice in that paragraph, I was referring to domestic animals.
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da pink
May 1 2013, 09:54 PM
50lbs just isn't heavy enough for a fit healthy make inho. Adrenaline is an amazing drug (and if a 50lb animal was trying to end your life it would be pumping)

I got knocked off my motorcycle. I ripped my bicep out of the shoulder socket. My kneecap was completely exposed taking 3 operations to make it even something like, and the gear lever went thru my foot. I stood up, walked 30 yards and picked my bike up.

I think a 50lb felid/canine could do me immense damage but i would not be aware of it and eventually i'd smash it to pulp.
Perhaps. I'm certain that a 60 lbs appropriate dog can kill a man, and that a 60 lbs cat (leopard) can kill a man. Maybe not a person who knows how to counter a dog or a cat, but certainly a random person. If the dog grabs on to the leg or arm, the it could be a long fight. However, I've personally seen a 60 lbs dog which went straight for the throat of a person. It didn't bite, but it got to where it wanted to go. That was just an Appenzeller sennenhund, not a fighting dog or anything. I do think that the limit is around 50-60 lbs, but it depends a lot on the person involved and the kind of dog/cat involved.
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Black Ice
May 1 2013, 09:59 PM
To a human a large dog is not easier to control than large a cat. I've explained this bloody twice.

And your explanation was rubbish, of course the cat will be harder to control then a dog......its common sense, the cat has more ways to cause damage and has a very flexible body with limbs armed with claws as well as a good set of jaws.
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May 1 2013, 10:25 PM
FP, the maximum amount of damage a domestic cat can do is less than the maximum amount of damage a dog can do. This is why I would prefer to fight a cat "to the death." On a daily basis, the cat is more likely to hurt you, but these are often not serious injuries. Wounds from cat are more likely to be contaminated though, so they are worrisome from that perspective. Notice in that paragraph, I was referring to domestic animals.
Well not really because like you said the dog is far eaiser to control, so its maximum damage out put will be stopped far faster then with the cat.
Domestic cats weight about 4–5 kg id rather face a dog at that weight then a domestic cat and a dog that small can not put out much damage.
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The only way to effective hold a large dog is a head-lock. That means you need to be able to get in to do this. This puts your head close to their head. I would never try to head-lock an aggressive dog without a muzzle. Again, this is in practice where I am able to walk up to the animal and restrain them. A dog is much easier in this case, as a cat can only be restrained through a scruff. If I were forced to physically restrain and animal in a corner, where injury is a definite and infection is not a worry, I would rather take a bite from a cat than a dog. Again, this is just in reference to a veterinary setting with domestics.
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May 2 2013, 12:02 AM
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May 1 2013, 10:25 PM
FP, the maximum amount of damage a domestic cat can do is less than the maximum amount of damage a dog can do. This is why I would prefer to fight a cat "to the death." On a daily basis, the cat is more likely to hurt you, but these are often not serious injuries. Wounds from cat are more likely to be contaminated though, so they are worrisome from that perspective. Notice in that paragraph, I was referring to domestic animals.
Well not really because like you said the dog is far eaiser to control, so its maximum damage out put will be stopped far faster then with the cat.
Domestic cats weight about 4–5 kg id rather face a dog at that weight then a domestic cat and a dog that small can not put out much damage.
Honestly, a human could kill cats and dogs of that size with little to no MINOR injuries.
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People, disabling a dog isn't as simple as just grabbing its head, and voila dog is now defenseless, if you try to grab say a Wolves or APBT's head not only will it shake violently, but it will most likely slip out, grab your hand and either pull it off completely, or cause severe damage to it. I've tried that shit with an aggressive GSD before and I won't try it again (no the GSD did not attack me, it was a neighbours and I was trying to take the bowl of food away from it, the dogs fine).

But regardless a Cat may have more weapons, but both are still restricted to their jaws to fatally injure, only Anteaters and Bears could cause any massive damage with their claws. Although the cat may be slightly harder to hold down, as their claws and agility allow them to escape quickly.
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May 2 2013, 02:48 AM
People, disabling a dog isn't as simple as just grabbing its head, and voila dog is now defenseless, if you try to grab say a Wolves or APBT's head not only will it shake violently, but it will most likely slip out, grab your hand and either pull it off completely, or cause severe damage to it. I've tried that shit with an aggressive GSD before and I won't try it again (no the GSD did not attack me, it was a neighbours and I was trying to take the bowl of food away from it, the dogs fine).

But regardless a Cat may have more weapons, but both are still restricted to their jaws to fatally injure, only Anteaters and Bears could cause any massive damage with their claws. Although the cat may be slightly harder to hold down, as their claws and agility allow them to escape quickly.
Completly agree if you think you gonna calmly just put a good sized dog thay wants to kill you in a headlock and stop him uou have another thing coming yes addrenalin is an amazing drug and lets people do amazing things but its not the be all end all, it really inhibits your thinking trading brain for brawn the fight wont be putting the animal in a headlock but more beating on it till iy dies or runs
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May 2 2013, 04:49 AM
Completly agree if you think you gonna calmly just put a good sized dog thay wants to kill you in a headlock and stop him uou have another thing coming yes addrenalin is an amazing drug and lets people do amazing things but its not the be all end all, it really inhibits your thinking trading brain for brawn the fight wont be putting the animal in a headlock but more beating on it till iy dies or runs
A headlock is not a tactic I'd go for! (I think I'd be inclined to sacrifice my forearm to get on top of the beast and bang it into anything hard and pointy looking on the way down)

And I ain't saying adrenaline is going to make any human capable of fighting an animal to the death. Just that for a adult male with 1/2 decent fitness (preferably one used to feeling adrenaline and using it) it could mute the damage long enough for a human victory, size allowing. I think much over 50lb would be too much for an empty handed average sized human.

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How heavy were those two coyotes which killed that Canadian singer some time ago?
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I don't think they were killed or weighed, but since two Coyotes attacked her, I guess they'l kill the 3 other innocent Coyotes of the 5 in the area to make sure the 2 are dead.

That's like killing every suspect in a murder scene so you can make sure no more murders are committed.
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They were eastern coyotes im pretty dure they averag abou 30 to 40 pounds, but its also not uncommen for them to get a fair size bigger.

Im pretty sure nova scotia the province it happened in puts out on averag the largest eastern coyotes as the usually have more red wolf blood than the coywolfs farther west
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I think that 50 pounds or so is about right for a feline, whereas for a canine maybe 70 to 80 pounds.

The only reason that I believe felines can get away with it at smaller sizes is that they tend to ambush and they always, always go for the throat for a kill. Dogs on the other hand know that the throat is ideal, but will go for the whatever they can latch on when they can't reach it, arm, leg, groin, ear, etc., particularly nasty. This makes cats more efficient killers per se. But not more efficient fighters. If I was forced to face off against either a 120 pound mountain lion or a 120 pound wolf, I'd rather fight the cat. Granted I'd be bloody and scratched all over but I'd rather deal with the less debilitating bites of a cat then the thrashing, ripping, bites that dogs like to do.
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I know most people have seen this pic, but at 120lbs, a felid's claws can do a considerable amount of damage to a thin-skinned human (ie. you might not just be a bit bloodied and scatched from the claws).
Edited by dinocat, May 4 2013, 09:57 PM.
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Gonna sting when he sticks the Dettol on that
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