Taipan

Feb 21 2012, 03:16 PM

Titoedersu

Feb 21 2012, 12:07 AM

Good morning to all. I just joined, I'm Italian and I do not know English very well so I use an automatic translator. Congratulations to all for the data provided. I tried to open a new topic but maybe I have to wait. However, I think you're interested in this story: a wolf here in Italy, Isernia, so approached the house, a pit bull he faced but was immediately killed. Here the site with photos: http://www.geapress.org/ambiente/isernia-scontro-lupo-pit-bull-fotogallery/24376
My apologies to the moderators, but I did not know how to insert the news.

Great Find!

Translated using "Google translate"

Isernia: Clash wolf - Pit Bull (photo gallery)
The expert: no alarm, the wolf is not a danger to humans.
Editorial | February 20, 2012



GEAPRESS - Typically we are accustomed to hearing about fights between dogs, perhaps badly kept in a kennel, where animals that should not come into contact and eventually clash in some cases succumb.

The dog is a wolf. Molded and enslaved by the evolution of man imposed by custom. They communicate in a manner often inscrutable to non-experts. You stare, you study, launch signal, then establish who is boss. Usually goes smoothly, but when a wolf is no longer that tens of thousands of years and maybe it was preferred to the emergence of a dominant trait, it can also happen what happened in these days of extreme cold in the immediate outskirts of Rocchetta al Volturno, in the province of Isernia.

A wolf, a large male, came into contact with a Pit bull kept near a body. To have the worst was the dog. A wolf's canine has penetrated between the palate and tongue. Snow remained on the tracks of the collision. Blood, but also fingerprints, according to Dr. Anthony Liberatore, Director of Veterinary dell'ASREM (Molise Regional Healthcare Company), are unmistakably a wolf.

The dr. Liberatore is an expert on wildlife, and for him those tracks are likely to be linked to the large male often observed in places. A peaceful presence with which Dr. Liberatore came in contact.

"The wolf flees at the sight of man - refers to Dr. GeaPress. Liberatore - maximum ignores him and continues on his way. This worst case scenario. The wolf is not a threat. "

In recent days, the upper valley of the Volturno, were spotted several deer come down to the valley as a result of snow left. It had been found some dead, or (whether alive or dead) food for the wolf. Also in recent days, the State Forestry (see article GeaPress) had issued a statement where noted as the winter was really a happy season for wild canid. At the rigors hurt everywhere are his prey or herbivores that are for the weak and therefore more susceptible to predation of the wolf.

"The locals - adds Dr. Liberatore - do not feel in danger wolf. Problems can occur with grazing, but this should be carefully analyzed. There are unscrupulous breeder, especially among the elderly, but not always the case. "

Grazing, in essence, means sometimes abandoned pasture. Animals left at the mercy of events. Animals of little value, however, turn into a profit in the case of contributions or reimbursements. Some, then, are more at risk than others. It 's the case of horses, especially if foals. The solutions are there but sometimes it seems as if you do not want to take.

According to Dr. Liberatore electric fences give good results and I'm not so expensive as they say, at least compared to a normal fence.

"We must know how to do - report Dr. Liberatore - be careful not scattered on the ground and check the batteries. With the wolf can live with. There is a danger to humans and livestock for the solution there. " Just want it, in fact.

The wolf that has plundered the Pit Bull is not the only one of its surroundings. There are probably others but, as reported by Dr. Liberatore, there is no warning and there is no reason that there is. E 'already so for quite some time. We are right behind the historic site of the Apennines to whom we owe the salvation of the wolf. The National Park Lazio, Abruzzo and Molise. To return to live among the fables, or the days of Little Red Riding Hood and the big bad wolf, there is no just no need. Sooner or later this cold end. Ungulates resume possession of the high altitude pastures and the wolf will follow them. And 'so who knows how much time and many hope that this will continue to be so.



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Source : Translated Article

Yesterday started out like any normal sunday morning. I awoke happy and content to be snuggled in tight between my two favorite beasts Rory and Primo. I was especially cozy and laid petting holding them for a while before I got my butt up and out of bed.


The night before J.R. and I awoke to to noise in the backyard, the motion light came on and we were surprised to see a coyote when we looked out the window. he was huge, he was as tall as Rory but considerably thinner. Anyhoo J.R chased him back over the fence and the rest of the night continued on without the motion light going back on. Before I let the dogs in the back yard that morning I checked the permimiter and the yard to make sure he was gone (Ya I know STUPID) but I wasnt going to let my dogs out without checking-It was clear.


I let Rory and Primo out and 30 seconds later I heard it. The most awful scary roar errupted from my Primo, he sounded like a lion. Shaking, I ran to the side yard. The coyote saw me, Primo saw the coyote see me and wasted no time pinning him to the gground by his neck. Meanwhile, Rory, my lil spitfire was circling, barking, and taking chunks out of the coyote as Primo held him down. Thats when I made my first mistake........



I screamed at Rory and Primo to let go, as they did the coyote tried to run up the fence But despite my dogs willingness to listen to me, their insticnt couldnt keep them from going after him. The coyote made it to the top of the fence countelss times only to be yanked back down by my dogs and pulled back to the ground.


By this time J.R. had awoken and was outside, and the coyote ran to the other side of the yard and was trying to hide under the workbench and wheel barrow. Primo knew better then to go after him head first but my Rory's instinct to get the intruder out of our yard over came her and she rushed in, ultimatley getting the worst of her injuries as the coyotes long muzzle bit into her face......she didnt even let go.....she pulled him our from under the wheel barrow so Primo could finish. Rory, then finally came to me as Primo allowed the coyote to retreat over the fence. I dont know how he made it over the fence, back legs and entrials hanging out. I had a overwhelming mix of emotions......sad to see a beautiful creature ripped apart, yet proud of my dogs for protecting me and for working so well as a team.


I thought about grabbing the gun but didnt want to leave the scene and didnt want to risk shooting one of my dogs.


The dogs were taken to the vet and I just cant seem to stop shaking.


RORY..... Her injuries are primarily to the head, muzzle, and face. She didn't require stitches but may have had her nasal cavity punctured that may require surgery but the vet wants to wait to see how well she heals up in the next few days. She can only chew soft food for now, it pains her to eat hard food and she wouldnt let the vet check the roof of her mouth so I hope all is ok in there.


She did eat soft food this morning, I was so happy! Her breathing is ragged, her physical activiity is limited and she is one antibitoics, pain medication and antinflammatory's. My poor girl hardly wags her tail, is still very nervous and dosnt want to be touched for fear we might try to pet her face.


However this morning she perked up when I asked her if she wanted to sleep on my bed, LOL







PRIMO.... He has three staples in his face, two under his eyes and one on his nose. His mental state is much better then Rory's.... and bounced back immeditatly patrolling the yard and had a very big appetite.





Immediatley after the attack he looked like Braveheart, covered in blood and pissed off. I've never been so humbeled and in awe of a Pit Bull's power. How he could go from cuddling in bed to a warrior and right back again amazed me. I am so very proud of my babies....sad, shaken.....but very proud.


This morning I covered my bed in doggy blankets so my lil beasts could rest comfortably.....they deserve it.

ImperialDino

Feb 22 2012, 11:40 PM

GATO you stated that the pitbull and CL are even in STRENGTH? Do you really think a CL could pull multiple TONS of weight around? NO.

Titoedersu

Feb 22 2012, 08:08 PM

Gato Gordo

Feb 22 2012, 03:09 PM

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Good morning to all. I just joined, I'm Italian and I do not know English very well so I use an automatic translator. Congratulations to all for the data provided. I tried to open a new topic but maybe I have to wait. However, I think you're interested in this story: a wolf here in Italy, Isernia, so approached the house, a pit bull he faced but was immediately killed. Here the site with photos: http://www.geapress.org/ambiente/isernia-scontro-lupo-pit-bull-fotogallery/24376
My apologies to the moderators, but I did not know how to insert the news.

Titodersu, I agree with Taipan: it is an interesting report. However, the wolves in the region should be much larger than a pit bull (40 kg to 20-25 kg). Is there any information on the nature and age of the pit bull? Admitting that we don't know if it was a pet or a working dog, it is a good counter example to those who claim that a pit bull would defeat a wolf even if being much smaller.

Hello Gato Gordo. Sorry for the mistakes because I use an automatic translator. I also tried to find out the size and age of the pitbull but I have found. At first glance it seems an adult and those that are bred here in Italy are usually copies of 20-25 kg. What I know is that he was a guard dog and probably saw the wolf and has managed to overcome the fence. In fact the corpse of his dog was outside. The wolf, if defined large male usually weighs 35-37 kg, although there may even reach 40 and in very rare cases to 45 kg. In this period, with much snow and cold the wolves several times in the mountain villages, also because the deer have done the same, even dozens at a time, and the wolves followed them. Here the picture of a young wolf very thin in a country
http://www.canislupus.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3635
There have been many movies, including one filmed by a TV crew accidentally during which only one wolf has attacked and seriously injured an adult male deer in the country. The deer was exhausted and in deep snow.
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/media/ContentItem-cc7929fa-de1f-4767-9946-71969cc2e0ed-tg1.html
Here in Italy the wolves are rising fast but do not attack humans for over a century. Our Sheepdogs and also watch as the dog being sometimes clash with the wolves but usually in 1 on 1 fighting stops soon without serious injury to anyone. Ten days ago a female dog of course was met with a large male wolf of the Apennines of Modena, in front of a patrol rangers, but neither was injured. Here is a photo taken in the wolf:
viewtopic.php? f = 14 & t = 3583 & start = 10 # p32492
Consider that, although it happened rarely, we usually just one big dog can not kill a wolf. From what we see here, however, dogs like pit bulls if they encounter a wolf in nature, with similar weights, does not have a chance to win or survive in a battle to death. The only possibilities are that the shepherds and the Maremma Abruzzi courses dogs (50-70 kg similar to pitbull and very old, sort of a Neapolitan mastiff, however, very agile and powerful, rider if necessary). In my opinion, the pit bull, which is a very good dog, and if bred well, has not the power of the bite that kills or almost immediately, it must fight. But the wolf can kill in seconds, even with a single bite. Consider, however, that in many areas here and shepherd guard dogs often encounter wolves and everyone ignores the other, until the wolf does not come close to the sheep. Perhaps in some cases they even know. Hello.

Sicilianu

Feb 23 2012, 11:45 AM

This is getting funny. One of the hallmarks of a pitbull's greatness is that it regularly defeats dogs larger than itself. BUT when it fights a larger wolf and loses, it is a size issue. Good times.

Gato Gordo

Feb 22 2012, 03:04 PM

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It depends what would be going on in the environment and the individual dog. If the dog was exposed to something that terrified it in that 14-17 week old development period, something like a thunderstorm for example would probably affect it. But since the dogs we're referring to are commonly kept outside, within reason, the elements wouldn't be the issue. (Although mud could affect the dog's traction.) There is some truth to what gun is saying, but then again, many dogs don't rile up until they are near the "box," even if they don't notice the other dog. Another thing about the owner influencing the dog's behavior is the opposite. I had one female in particular who tolerated dogs in my presence but when I walked away, she'd go mad. That was probably due to the fact that I discouraged her dog aggression and "she knew better." Then again, some dogs are so intense it wouldn't matter what the owner wanted them to do. These are high drive animals.

But how do you think your female dog would behave if she got completely lost in some deep wilderness?

Taipan

Feb 22 2012, 08:19 PM

Gato Gordo

Feb 22 2012, 03:09 PM

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Good morning to all. I just joined, I'm Italian and I do not know English very well so I use an automatic translator. Congratulations to all for the data provided. I tried to open a new topic but maybe I have to wait. However, I think you're interested in this story: a wolf here in Italy, Isernia, so approached the house, a pit bull he faced but was immediately killed. Here the site with photos: http://www.geapress.org/ambiente/isernia-scontro-lupo-pit-bull-fotogallery/24376
My apologies to the moderators, but I did not know how to insert the news.

Titodersu, I agree with Taipan: it is an interesting report. However, the wolves in the region should be much larger than a pit bull (40 kg to 20-25 kg). Is there any information on the nature and age of the pit bull? Admitting that we don't know if it was a pet or a working dog, it is a good counter example to those who claim that a pit bull would defeat a wolf even if being much smaller.

Its a landmark in animal matchup forums. You and me Gato are long time members on these type of forums, and this article as stated above by a poster is the first of its kind in the frequently debated APBT v Wolf debate. Wouldnt you love to shove it in Boxingmans face, and sit back and enjoy his excuses?
Again Titodersu, thanks for sharing this with us.

Icestorm

Feb 25 2012, 06:36 PM

I think the most important information from that article is the revelation that it doesn't require an extraordinarily large wolf to dispatch the pitbull. While the general consensus in the wolf vs pitbull threads was in favor of the wolf, most assumed the wolf to be of a much larger variety. While the Italian wolf in the article was described as a large male, more than likely puts it within the average size range of a German Shepherd. If you'd have used a wolf that size, the results surely would've been different prior to this event.