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Baboons v Dogs; originaly Baboon intruders killed by pet dogs
Topic Started: Jan 9 2012, 06:50 PM (25,213 Views)
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Lets not forget the much smaller female leopards kill male baboons as well
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Aug 23 2013, 04:44 PM
Lets not forget the much smaller female leopards kill male baboons as well
No body is disputing that but you will find it would only kill a baboon by ambush. Head on I would also favour a male baboon over a female leopard.
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Aug 23 2013, 03:16 AM
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Aug 23 2013, 03:00 AM
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Aug 23 2013, 12:04 AM
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Aug 22 2013, 11:50 PM
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Aug 22 2013, 10:10 PM
It would take some dog to kill a male baboon, lets be honest a leopard never attacks them head on they would only ambush.
Really? It would take some dogs to kill one baboon?

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The injured Boerboel chased a GROUP of baboons so it was most likely not even focused on the attacker. Doesn´t prove nothing.
Male chacma baboon weigh like what? 25-30kgs? An exceptionally large specimen will weigh like 45kgs. Male Leopards weigh up to 90kgs (and are equipped with lethal claws and able to effectively use them) - so do male Boerboels (which may not have claws but the ability to tackle and ragdoll a target weighing half as much as itself). Go figure.

Baboons live in troops of like 50 individuals. That´s what gives them some power - not their oversized teeth.
... What are you talking about?

Yes, a boerboel can rag a baboon around if it got a good hold of one, but the dog's size advantage didn't help it this time. Primates are so frenzied when they attack they can overwhelm opponents at the start of the fight.

And what do you mean "Baboons live in troops of like 50 individuals. That´s what gives them some power - not their oversized teeth." ?

Oh yeah, and Munfy's original comment was "it would take some dog to kill a male baboon" implying it would take a very hardy dog indeed, a statement I concur with. He didn't mean a pack of dogs would be required to get the job done.

Didn't think I commented in this thread lol but I agree it would take an impressive dog I've read some info on the use of hunting dogs in Africa (primarily sighthound and sighthound crosses aka lurchers) it was a pretty interesting read it talked about different sized dogs basically 3 size categorys but I'm getting off topic anyway it was said that a good baboon dog was worth it's weight in gold and even a very experienced and fit dog still had a much shorter life expectancy

The baboon dogs if I remember correctly were almost the size of Irish wolfhounds usually with some bull blood mixed in for power and robustness it was also said like you'd mentioned that baboons were frenzied in they're attacks and that it wasn't just the fangs the dog had to watch for the majority of injuries were caused by the baboons clawing indiscriminately at the offending dog
The dogs you're referring to are "boergreyhounds". They are purpose bred south African sighthounds. There are three different types which work better on different game species.

I know exactly which article you're referring to I've read it myself, and I do recall the mentioning of the rarity of dogs that can take baboons on there own.

You must bare in mind that sighthounds are experts on killing game on the run, however they are poor fighters when you come down to it, a boerboel or a good bull terrier would stand much more of a chance face to face with a male baboon.
Good info on the Boergreyhounds here http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/176507-lurchers-working-african-bush/

Interesting bit from the link, relevant to this thread "Some of their main targets are - jackal, gemsbok, impala, kudu, spring hare, bush hares, aardwolf, brown hyena, warthog, baboons and porcupines.
Each requiring a uniquely different technique and the good dogs are those who learn how to appropriately deal with the different animals. A good baboon dog being the rarest of all, as baboons are quite adept at tearing dogs apart and inclined to do so, interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths.
However, dogs that can kill baboons one on one do exist."
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Aug 23 2013, 04:44 PM
Lets not forget the much smaller female leopards kill male baboons as well
No body is disputing that but you will find it would only kill a baboon by ambush. Head on I would also favour a male baboon over a female leopard.
errm male leopards only kill baboons by ambush....leopards kill everything by ambush... a male baboon is no match for a female leopard...

A large dog would batter a baboon....they have large teeth and thats about it.
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Aug 23 2013, 08:07 PM
interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths.
Id like to see one try....these seem like very tall tales to me.
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interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths.
Id like to see one try....these seem like very tall tales to me.
based upon?
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Aug 23 2013, 08:18 PM
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interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths.
Id like to see one try....these seem like very tall tales to me.
based upon?
Looking at how baboons fight, ive not seen them pull each other apart?? the only thing they pull apart are baby antelope

I really dont think they are packing the strength to pull a large dog apart?? its not a gorilla
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I see where you're coming from, but fail to see what the author has to gain by making things up.

From the evidence posted in this thread alone I don't think anyone can dispute a large male baboon is dangerous to a dog.

Why someone would lie or embellish how the baboons do the damage ?
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Aug 23 2013, 08:07 PM
interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths. [/b]
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Yeah right. Let´s act as if 15-30kgs Baboons had the power of an eastern lowland gorilla. Baboons have huge teeth - that´s about it. They are NOT (more) agile and they are NOT more powerful than a female Leopard or a big canine. The only reason other predators keep a distance is the fact that Baboons live in troops with up to 150+ individuals. If baboons were solitary they´d get eaten by pretty much any other predator - probably Caracals even. Besides... Baboons are not even pure predators (neither physically nor psychologically) unlike felids and canids which is why THEY need a weight advantage - not the other way around. Any similarly sized felid would grapple and finish a Baboon with a good bite to the throat or the neck in seconds. Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death.
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so a labrador would rag a male baboon?
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Aug 23 2013, 08:29 PM
I see where you're coming from, but fail to see what the author has to gain by making things up.

From the evidence posted in this thread alone I don't think anyone can dispute a large male baboon is dangerous to a dog.

Why someone would lie or embellish how the baboons do the damage ?
Dangerous becuase they have large teeth and not because the have taken up WWE wrestling..

I still think a good sized dog is more then a match for a baboon.
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interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths. [/b]
However [/i]
Yeah right. Let´s act as if 15-30kgs Baboons had the power of an eastern lowland gorilla. Baboons have huge teeth - that´s about it. They are NOT (more) agile and they are NOT more powerful than a female Leopard or a big canine. The only reason other predators keep a distance is the fact that Baboons live in troops with up to 150+ individuals. If baboons were solitary they´d get eaten by pretty much any other predator - probably Caracals even. Besides... Baboons are not even pure predators (neither physically nor psychologically) unlike felids and canids which is why THEY need a weight advantage - not the other way around. Any similarly sized felid would grapple and finish a Baboon with a good bite to the throat or the neck in seconds. Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death.
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Aug 23 2013, 09:22 PM
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I see where you're coming from, but fail to see what the author has to gain by making things up.

From the evidence posted in this thread alone I don't think anyone can dispute a large male baboon is dangerous to a dog.

Why someone would lie or embellish how the baboons do the damage ?
Dangerous becuase they have large teeth and not because the have taken up WWE wrestling..

I still think a good sized dog is more then a match for a baboon.
That doesn't answer my question.
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From the evidence posted in this thread alone I don't think anyone can dispute a large male baboon is dangerous to a dog.

Why someone would lie or embellish how the baboons do the damage ?
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Aug 23 2013, 09:15 PM
so a labrador would rag a male baboon?
Depending on socialisation and individual - YES, it "could".
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
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