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Baboons v Dogs; originaly Baboon intruders killed by pet dogs
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Topic Started: Jan 9 2012, 06:50 PM (25,212 Views)
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FelinePowah
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Aug 23 2013, 09:56 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared? But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog...
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Aug 23 2013, 09:57 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog... bit like you with every feline encounter
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da pink
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Aug 23 2013, 10:05 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog... Well, yes, but I'm not sure what you're saying. Armour said "any" similar sized canid would rag a baboon. . .but he didn't mean "any"
"Any" would be, well, any dog of a similar size, which clearly isn't plausible
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FelinePowah
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Aug 23 2013, 10:06 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog...
bit like you with every feline encounter Well not really as wild Felines dont get reared by man...
Plus we cant use the fact that all animals are individuals, its far easiar to just concentrante on the animals abilites and not its personality
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predator2013
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Aug 23 2013, 10:08 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog...
bit like you with every feline encounter
Well not really as wild Felines dont get reared by man... Plus we cant use the fact that all animals are individuals, its far easiar to just concentrante on the animals abilites and not its personality Even though some may say that the capabilities of a said animal is greater then it actually is........
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FelinePowah
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Aug 23 2013, 10:10 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog...
Well, yes, but I'm not sure what you're saying. Armour said "any" similar sized canid would rag a baboon. . .but he didn't mean "any" "Any" would be, well, any dog of a similar size, which clearly isn't plausible Ok but he also said baboon and not male or female or give an age.....soo
So most meduim to large sized dogs ( that are still functional and not been fucked up by humans) that are not to much of a happy family pet have the physical ability in my eyes to best a baboon.
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FelinePowah
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Aug 23 2013, 10:23 PM
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So it's not "Any similarly sized canid would jump- and rag a baboon to death." like you wrote earlier, but in fact it depends on the individual and how it has been reared?
But isnt that the case with any match up with a domestic dog...
bit like you with every feline encounter
Well not really as wild Felines dont get reared by man... Plus we cant use the fact that all animals are individuals, its far easiar to just concentrante on the animals abilites and not its personality
Even though some may say that the capabilities of a said animal is greater then it actually is........ The Baboon being the case in point
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da pink
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Aug 23 2013, 11:35 PM
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FP Look at that wound. Imagine that in the neck/throat area. It's going to kill most dogs. No, it won't be able to put in a bite like that every time with every animal, but when they're capable of inflicting such damage you can't write them off.
Even if the wound was non-fatal, there's only a few dog breeds that would want more after taking a bite like that, no matter how healthy and functional they are
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FelinePowah
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Aug 23 2013, 11:55 PM
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FP Look at that wound. Imagine that in the neck/throat area. It's going to kill most dogs. No, it won't be able to put in a bite like that every time with every animal, but when they're capable of inflicting such damage you can't write them off. Even if the wound was non-fatal, there's only a few dog breeds that would want more after taking a bite like that, no matter how healthy and functional they are But im not saying that baboons can not defend themselves, but lets just say (hypothetically speaking)that dog had attacked an impala and the impala defended itself and stabbed the dog with one of its horns, an impalas horns could cause massive damage and a picture of the wounded dog would look awful....but no ones going to suddenly say impala are a match for a large dog.
Baboons have large teeth, they can cause lots of surface damage...i still think a dogs bite is far worse as they have more bite force and jaws designed for ripping and shaking..
Plus the dog was probably mobbed and so it was far eaisar for a baboon to attck the dogs back while it was distracted by the rest of the troop.
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Aug 24 2013, 12:06 AM
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I must be seeing things, felinepowah backing a domestic dog in a match up
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Aug 24 2013, 01:22 AM
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- Aug 22 2013, 10:10 PM
It would take some dog to kill a male baboon, lets be honest a leopard never attacks them head on they would only ambush.
Really? It would take some dogs to kill one baboon?  The injured Boerboel chased a GROUP of baboons so it was most likely not even focused on the attacker. Doesn´t prove nothing. Male chacma baboon weigh like what? 25-30kgs? An exceptionally large specimen will weigh like 45kgs. Male Leopards weigh up to 90kgs (and are equipped with lethal claws and able to effectively use them) - so do male Boerboels (which may not have claws but the ability to tackle and ragdoll a target weighing half as much as itself). Go figure. Baboons live in troops of like 50 individuals. That´s what gives them some power - not their oversized teeth.
... What are you talking about? Yes, a boerboel can rag a baboon around if it got a good hold of one, but the dog's size advantage didn't help it this time. Primates are so frenzied when they attack they can overwhelm opponents at the start of the fight. And what do you mean "Baboons live in troops of like 50 individuals. That´s what gives them some power - not their oversized teeth." ? Oh yeah, and Munfy's original comment was "it would take some dog to kill a male baboon" implying it would take a very hardy dog indeed, a statement I concur with. He didn't mean a pack of dogs would be required to get the job done.
Didn't think I commented in this thread  but I agree it would take an impressive dog I've read some info on the use of hunting dogs in Africa (primarily sighthound and sighthound crosses aka lurchers) it was a pretty interesting read it talked about different sized dogs basically 3 size categorys but I'm getting off topic anyway it was said that a good baboon dog was worth it's weight in gold and even a very experienced and fit dog still had a much shorter life expectancy The baboon dogs if I remember correctly were almost the size of Irish wolfhounds usually with some bull blood mixed in for power and robustness it was also said like you'd mentioned that baboons were frenzied in they're attacks and that it wasn't just the fangs the dog had to watch for the majority of injuries were caused by the baboons clawing indiscriminately at the offending dog
The dogs you're referring to are "boergreyhounds". They are purpose bred south African sighthounds. There are three different types which work better on different game species. I know exactly which article you're referring to I've read it myself, and I do recall the mentioning of the rarity of dogs that can take baboons on there own. You must bare in mind that sighthounds are experts on killing game on the run, however they are poor fighters when you come down to it, a boerboel or a good bull terrier would stand much more of a chance face to face with a male baboon.
Good info on the Boergreyhounds here http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/176507-lurchers-working-african-bush/Interesting bit from the link, relevant to this thread "Some of their main targets are - jackal, gemsbok, impala, kudu, spring hare, bush hares, aardwolf, brown hyena, warthog, baboons and porcupines. Each requiring a uniquely different technique and the good dogs are those who learn how to appropriately deal with the different animals. A good baboon dog being the rarest of all, as baboons are quite adept at tearing dogs apart and inclined to do so, interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths. However, dogs that can kill baboons one on one do exist." That's the exact info I was talking about, I don't know why it's so hard to believe that baboons can do damage with there hands and feet as well as there mouths I'm inclined to take the word of a bush hunter from the area (even with the chance of slight embellishment ) over the speculations of an armchair expert
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Aug 24 2013, 02:02 AM
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I think all of you people who are saying that any good sized dog would best a male baboon have overlooked the fact that the injured dog in the picture is a boerboel....
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ARM0R
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Aug 24 2013, 02:20 AM
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I think all of you people who are saying that any good sized dog would best a male baboon have overlooked the fact that the injured dog in the picture is a boerboel....
There reads the Boerboel chased a troop of baboons so I doubt it ended up fighting only "1" of them.
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Aug 24 2013, 02:27 AM
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I think all of you people who are saying that any good sized dog would best a male baboon have overlooked the fact that the injured dog in the picture is a boerboel....
There reads the Boerboel chased a troop of baboons so I doubt it ended up fighting only "1" of them. No, the article states the boerboel chased a troop of baboons and was injured by one of the males.
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ARM0R
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Aug 24 2013, 02:37 AM
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No, the article states the boerboel chased a troop of baboons and was injured by one of the males.
The other baboons most likely distracted the dog though.
Edited by ARM0R, Aug 24 2013, 02:37 AM.
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