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Baboons v Dogs; originaly Baboon intruders killed by pet dogs
Topic Started: Jan 9 2012, 06:50 PM (25,211 Views)
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Aug 24 2013, 02:37 AM
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No, the article states the boerboel chased a troop of baboons and was injured by one of the males.
The other baboons most likely distracted the dog though.
The dog still came off second best, even with it's size advantage, and the baboon obviously made enough contact with the dog to give it that wound, which would also imply that the dog would have had time to react.

Face it, the dog came off second best, not every dog decent sized dog can match a baboon, it takes an exceptional one, the people who used dogs to hunt these animals specifically say so, were this belief that "any dog with a size advantage will kill the baboon" came from I have no idea.

You do realize that strength is not evenly distributed according to size don't you? especially amongst dogs.
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It would take some dog to kill a male baboon, lets be honest a leopard never attacks them head on they would only ambush.
Really? It would take some dogs to kill one baboon?

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The injured Boerboel chased a GROUP of baboons so it was most likely not even focused on the attacker. Doesn´t prove nothing.
Male chacma baboon weigh like what? 25-30kgs? An exceptionally large specimen will weigh like 45kgs. Male Leopards weigh up to 90kgs (and are equipped with lethal claws and able to effectively use them) - so do male Boerboels (which may not have claws but the ability to tackle and ragdoll a target weighing half as much as itself). Go figure.

Baboons live in troops of like 50 individuals. That´s what gives them some power - not their oversized teeth.
... What are you talking about?

Yes, a boerboel can rag a baboon around if it got a good hold of one, but the dog's size advantage didn't help it this time. Primates are so frenzied when they attack they can overwhelm opponents at the start of the fight.

And what do you mean "Baboons live in troops of like 50 individuals. That´s what gives them some power - not their oversized teeth." ?

Oh yeah, and Munfy's original comment was "it would take some dog to kill a male baboon" implying it would take a very hardy dog indeed, a statement I concur with. He didn't mean a pack of dogs would be required to get the job done.

Didn't think I commented in this thread lol but I agree it would take an impressive dog I've read some info on the use of hunting dogs in Africa (primarily sighthound and sighthound crosses aka lurchers) it was a pretty interesting read it talked about different sized dogs basically 3 size categorys but I'm getting off topic anyway it was said that a good baboon dog was worth it's weight in gold and even a very experienced and fit dog still had a much shorter life expectancy

The baboon dogs if I remember correctly were almost the size of Irish wolfhounds usually with some bull blood mixed in for power and robustness it was also said like you'd mentioned that baboons were frenzied in they're attacks and that it wasn't just the fangs the dog had to watch for the majority of injuries were caused by the baboons clawing indiscriminately at the offending dog
The dogs you're referring to are "boergreyhounds". They are purpose bred south African sighthounds. There are three different types which work better on different game species.

I know exactly which article you're referring to I've read it myself, and I do recall the mentioning of the rarity of dogs that can take baboons on there own.

You must bare in mind that sighthounds are experts on killing game on the run, however they are poor fighters when you come down to it, a boerboel or a good bull terrier would stand much more of a chance face to face with a male baboon.
Good info on the Boergreyhounds here http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/176507-lurchers-working-african-bush/

Interesting bit from the link, relevant to this thread "Some of their main targets are - jackal, gemsbok, impala, kudu, spring hare, bush hares, aardwolf, brown hyena, warthog, baboons and porcupines.
Each requiring a uniquely different technique and the good dogs are those who learn how to appropriately deal with the different animals. A good baboon dog being the rarest of all, as baboons are quite adept at tearing dogs apart and inclined to do so, interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths.
However, dogs that can kill baboons one on one do exist."
That's the exact info I was talking about, I don't know why it's so hard to believe that baboons can do damage with there hands and feet as well as there mouths I'm inclined to take the word of a bush hunter from the area (even with the chance of slight embellishment ) over the speculations of an armchair expert
Its funny that people who have studied baboons never mention them ripping each other apart with hands and feet....hunters do like to over dramatise.
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@FelinePowah: Those reasachers have never studied how baboons act when confronted by dogs.

Do you really need any more evidence as to how dangerous a baboon is for a dog to tackle head on? This thread is filled with accounts of baboons injuring dogs, they outnumber the accounts of dogs killing baboons actually.

Hunters don't need to over dramatize the dangers of hunting an animal that can slice open a boerboel back.
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The quote ' as baboons are quite adept at tearing dogs apart and inclined to do so, interestingly with their hands and feet more so than their formidable mouths. ' is from a hunter in RSA. I can understand why people like that may overdramatise the abilities of their prey. But explain to me why they specifically mention the damage their limbs can do when it's the teeth that are so impressive. If they were hyping up baboons, and by extension also their dogs, why not big up the tools that are already feared?
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GEORGE NEWS - A dog named Whitey had been attacked by a baboon two weeks ago while he and his owner, Jonathan Malgas, were on a routine trip to Herold.

Baboon attacks dog

Malgas had stopped Senior SPCA Inspector Salomé Botha along the road as a frightened Whitey ran away in alarm.

After much searching Whitey was found by his owner and taken to the Garden Route SPCA for immediate treatment.

Resident vet, Dr Elke Schwellnus cleaned and stitched up the extensive wound and the dog was kept in supervised care.
Inspector Botha said she was touched to see how overjoyed Malgas and how equally happy the dog was on Thursday 6 February when she reunited them again.

"As so many injured animals are simply left to heal without treatment, particularly in the lower income areas, it is heartwarming to find an owner who takes responsibility for his injured friend."

http://www.georgeherald.com/news.aspx?id=70956&h=Baboon-attacks-dog#!prettyPhoto

EDIT: Check the link if you want to see the picture, it's a bit graphic:

http://www.georgeherald.com/img/Dogattacked_593737678.JPG[

Here's a 'Staffordshire Terrier- Boerboel' cross with a wound from a Baboon(s):

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http://www.slowtwitch.com/Lifestyle/Pro_triathlete_pooches_1616.html
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Baboon's death was an accident - SPCA


The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has found no cause for criminal prosecution, after a relocated Tokai baboon had been killed by a pack of dogs on a Worcester farm two weeks ago.

David, the "gentleman baboon" from the Cape Peninsula who had regular run-ins with the SPCA and Cape Nature during his frequent sojourns in Cape Town's southern suburbs after separating from his troop, was relocated to Limietberg Nature Reserve earlier in 2007.

On June 6 the baboon ventured 18km down the Dutoitskloof mountains near Worcester to two farms, and was killed in a fight with four dogs after the tree he hid in was cut down by a foreman.

CapeNature, who had relocated the animal, decided not to prosecute and described the incident as an experiment that had failed. They offered to pay the R2 500 veterinary bill for the dogs' injuries.

The SPCA, which had a long history with David, decided to investigate the incident to find out if the killing was justified.

SPCA chief inspector Andries Venter went to the farm on Sunday to speak to the foreman, to look at the felled tree and to investigate the set-up with the dogs on the farm.

Venter took the foreman's statement and followed the route the baboon had taken that day.

The baboon first went to a farm nearby from where he had been released and raided the kitchen. He later moved on to the fruit farm where he clashed with the dogs.

"The foreman struggled from 10am to 2pm to get the baboon off the farm and away from the dogs. The dogs walk around unchained, because they guard the property, which apparently gets a lot of break-ins," said Venter.

David ran into a house of the sister of the foreman, giving everyone a fright, before fleeing up a tree.

The dogs had by that time become aware of the intruder's presence and began growling and barking. After several attempts to chase the baboon away, the foreman cut down the tree.

The dogs and the baboon ended up in a fight. The baboon was killed, while all four dogs were injured badly enough to be taken to hospital.


"The foreman has lived on the farm for 33 years and has never encountered a problem like this. He is old and has medical problems. I don't think he did anything to harm the baboon. I haven't found sufficient evidence of animal abuse to institute criminal proceedings," said Venter.

Venter will consult CapeNature on his findings this week and will then submit a report to SPCA director Allan Perrins.


http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/baboon-s-death-was-an-accident-spca-1.358053#.U3BjifldUm8

I wonder what type of dogs those would be?

Regardless a male baboon attacked by 4 guard dogs, succumbed to the numbers game, but not before injuring all 4 of those dogs, there's a earlier article of the same story stating some of the dogs had 'severe injuries'. Quite a showing from the baboon.
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I believe that any working dog of over 130 lbs would come out slightly on top against two average male baboons. I agree however that it'd take a special dog to defeat 2 prime alpha males.

I think aboriginal ovcharkas/boz shepherds are enough to do it:

Dental structure of aboriginal ovcharka:

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a healthy working aboriginal georgian ovcharka/cao mix that weighs 200 lbs:

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Aboriginal co/volkodav of around 80 kg:

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And finally my prodigy a georgian ovcharka/russian co mix:

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Any of these would destroy the best baboon u can come across more often than not.. Even 2 of em.

Oh, and I don't even want to explain what's wrong with giving a 30 kg monkey any chance against a 70 kg leopard!
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1. Roj that's not a wolf
2. No one ever specified the baboon gender or group size

A FAMILY living in the mountainous area on the outskirts of Eros, in Windhoek, last week got the shock of their lives when their pet dog, Browny, was nearly ripped in half by baboons.
The incident occurred during the night and caused the dog to die instantly. The dog belonged to State House official Ben Nangombe who said he was dismayed at the baboons’ horrific actions. People living in the area have gotten used to baboons raiding their rubbish bins and sometimes even their homes for food, sometimes leading to conflict.
The violence displayed by the baboons who killed the Nangombes’ dog was however an unusual sight to them. The Nangombes say the problems with their pet and the baboons probably started as far back as August last year, when the dog was also seriously injured and had scratch marks all over its body. At that time the family took the dog to the State Veterinarian in Windhoek, who confirmed that the dog had been attacked by a baboon. City Police Public Relations Officer Marx Hipandwa said he was not aware of this specific incident but said he could remember another episode a few years back when it was reported to the City of Windhoek that baboons had taken over and caused a lot of damage at Heroes Acre.
He said the City then decided to electrify the fence surrounding Heroes Acre. Hipandwa’s advice to people living in the mountainous areas and the outskirts of the capital is that they should electrify the fences around their homes to scare off the baboons. Otherwise he advises Windhoek residents to seek the help of the City Police

3. Why is that b!tch smiling, her dog just died...
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It's rare for dogs to kill baboons (and has been noted by others in this thread, the reverse is much more common), as baboons have the upper hand regardless of the dog's size or fierceness.

Why, you may ask? Because the baboon can grab and hold with its hands and feet, while the dog has only its mouth. A baboon will find it child's play to leap on the dog's back, hold onto the dog's fur, and proceed to inflict massive amounts of damage with those canine teeth that are in fact longer than a lion's.
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Yet a wolf hybrid killed two males fairly easily. His name...............WAS FLUFFY!!!
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The dog can roll onto its back or shake the monkey off. And canids aren't just a couple of jaw bones they can use their arms the wrestle/control enemy. Most working dogs would east an average baboon. And like I said some large working breeds can kill 2.
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The large amounts of evidence in this thread is in favour of baboons ... sorry.
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There is no evidence of a baboon killing a working dog one on one not a single account, it's the other way around. Heck even two baboons don't commonly kill a capable working dog without getting ripped apart.
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There is no evidence of a baboon killing a working dog one on one not a single account, it's the other way around. Heck even two baboons don't commonly kill a capable working dog without getting ripped apart.


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