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Who wins?
White Rhinoceros 24 (41.4%)
African Forest Elephant 34 (58.6%)
Total Votes: 58
White Rhinoceros v African Forest Elephant
Topic Started: Jan 28 2012, 01:31 PM (22,334 Views)
Taipan
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White Rhinoceros - Ceratotherium simum
The White Rhinoceros or Square-lipped rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum) is one of the five species of rhinoceros that still exist. It has a wide mouth used for grazing and is the most social of all rhino species. White Rhinoceroses are found in grassland and savannah habitat. Herbivore grazers that eat grass, preferring the shortest grains, the White Rhinoceros is one of the largest pure grazers. White Rhinoceroses produce sounds which include a panting contact call, grunts and snorts during courtship, squeals of distress, and deep bellows or growls when threatened. Threat displays (in males mostly) include wiping its horn on the ground and a head-low posture with ears back, combined with snarl threats and shrieking if attacked. The White Rhinoceros is quick and agile and can run 50 km/h (31 mph). The White Rhinoceros is the world's largest land mammal after the three species of elephant. It has a massive body and large head, a short neck and broad chest. The head and body length is 3.4 to 4.2 m (11 to 14 ft), with the tail adding another 37 to 71 cm (15 to 28 in). Shoulder height is 1.5 to 2 m (4 ft 10 in to 6 ft 7 in). Weight in this animal typically ranges from 1,360 to 3,630 kg (3,000 to 8,000 lb). The male, averaging 2,300 kg (5,100 lb) is slightly heavier than the female, at an average of 1,700 kg (3,700 lb). The largest recorded White Rhinoceros was about 4,500 kg (9,900 lb). On its snout it has two horn-like growths, one behind the other. These are made of solid keratin, in which they differ from the horns of bovids (cattle and their relatives), which are keratin with a bony core, and deer antlers, which are solid bone. The front horn is larger and averages 90 cm (35 in) in length, reaching as much as 150 cm (59 in).

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African Forest Elephant - Loxodonta cyclotis
The African Forest Elephant (Loxodonta cyclotis) is a forest dwelling elephant of the Congo Basin. Formerly considered either a synonym or a subspecies of the African Savanna Elephant (Loxodonta africana), a 2010 study established that the two are distinct species. These forest-dwelling elephants are smaller and darker than their savanna relatives and have smaller and characteristically rounded ears. The upper lip and nose are elongated into a trunk that is more hairy than that of the savanna elephants'. The male African Forest Elephant rarely exceed 2.5 metres (8 ft) in height, while the African Bush Elephant is usually over 3 meters (just under 10 feet) and sometimes almost 4 meters (13 ft) tall. With regard to the number of toenails: the African Bush Elephant normally has 4 toenails on the frontfoot and 3 on the hindfoot, the African Forest Elephant normally has 5 toenails on the frontfoot and 4 on the hindfoot (like the Asian elephant), but hybrids between the two species occur.
Male shoulder height: up to 2.5 m
Weight 2.7 - 6 tonnes

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Gregoire
 
African Forest elephant vs White rhino
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Rashido
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Not sure, I don't know much about either animal so I'll wait for other's opinions before I support either one
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DinosaurMichael
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Not sure. I'll say 50/50.
Edited by DinosaurMichael, Jan 28 2012, 09:50 PM.
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SameerPrehistorica
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50 / 50...
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Megafelis Fatalis
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depends on the size of the elephant
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GreenDragon
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I think the elephant wins.
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I am not sure. I am leaning towards the elephant since its heavier and bigger.
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Ceph
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Elephants dominate rhinoceros on both continents I don't see why this should be different. These to creatures have co-existed for hundreds of thousands of years I am sure the pecking order is well established psychlogically.
Edited by Ceph, Jan 29 2012, 03:21 PM.
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I think at weight parity elephant would dominate 55/45 and if bigger - 85/15.
Edited by Gregoire, Feb 7 2012, 04:38 AM.
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This is also relevant to this thread:

Taipan
Jan 29 2012, 02:41 PM
coherentsheaf
Jan 29 2012, 02:27 PM
Do we have any evidence of tusks of the elephant being an effecive weapon?
Yes Bulls use them to kill each other, females and other animals:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-28/elephant-kills-12-females-over-spurned-advances/414282


"An unusual, but not unique, situation
has arisen in HUP. African elephants, Loxodonta
africana Blumenbach, 1797, have been killing both
black (n = 5) and white rhinos (n = 58), mainly through
tusk wounds made to the shoulder and chest area."

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Source: Killing of black and white rhinoceroses by African elephants in Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Park, South Africa

An elephants body strength ansd stability is awesome!





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Elephant after watching that video
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221Extra
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The White Rhino wins for me & here is why:

The forest elephant is shorter on average then the african bull elephant, even according to wikipedia which does have sources to back up what it claims that african forest elephants rarely exceed 8ft in height so the height advantage is not sufficient enough for the elephant to win same case scenario with the weigh advantage.
The white rhinoceros bull is 6ft at the shoulder while the horn which can be up to 4ft certainly cancels out any height advantage. And if these two clash the mass and acceleration of the white rhinoceros plus it's greater stability times the mass and acceleration of the elephant which is rather unstable in running for a distance. Would result either in a gore to the elephant's chest even possibly throat or the elephant falling do to the fact that it's less stable on it's legs. Anyways the African bush elephant bull beats all rhinos the other three do not.
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221extra
Jan 29 2012, 04:54 PM
The White Rhino wins for me & here is why:

The forest elephant is shorter on average then the african bull elephant, even according to wikipedia which does have sources to back up what it claims that african forest elephants rarely exceed 8ft in height so the height advantage is not sufficient enough for the elephant to win same case scenario with the weigh advantage.
The white rhinoceros bull is 6ft at the shoulder while the horn which can be up to 4ft certainly cancels out any height advantage. And if these two clash the mass and acceleration of the white rhinoceros plus it's greater stability times the mass and acceleration of the elephant which is rather unstable in running for a distance. Would result either in a gore to the elephant's chest even possibly throat or the elephant falling do to the fact that it's less stable on it's legs. Anyways the African bush elephant bull beats all rhinos the other three do not.
I think a 6,000kg African Forest Elephant would be big for a White Rhinoceros.
At parity, I think the White Rhinoceros would defeat the elephant.
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221Extra
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Jan 29 2012, 05:15 PM
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Jan 29 2012, 04:54 PM
The White Rhino wins for me & here is why:

The forest elephant is shorter on average then the african bull elephant, even according to wikipedia which does have sources to back up what it claims that african forest elephants rarely exceed 8ft in height so the height advantage is not sufficient enough for the elephant to win same case scenario with the weigh advantage.
The white rhinoceros bull is 6ft at the shoulder while the horn which can be up to 4ft certainly cancels out any height advantage. And if these two clash the mass and acceleration of the white rhinoceros plus it's greater stability times the mass and acceleration of the elephant which is rather unstable in running for a distance. Would result either in a gore to the elephant's chest even possibly throat or the elephant falling do to the fact that it's less stable on it's legs. Anyways the African bush elephant bull beats all rhinos the other three do not.
I think a 6,000kg African Forest Elephant would be big for a White Rhinoceros.
At parity, I think the White Rhinoceros would defeat the elephant.


I'd argue weight isn't as big an issue in this contest, the main reason that the White Rhinoceros is killed by the African Bush Elephant is because the Elephant is so much taller, which makes it harder for the rhino to defend itself against it, while in this match up the Forest Elephant lacks the significant height advantage to ensure victory.
Edited by 221Extra, Jan 29 2012, 06:45 PM.
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Jan 29 2012, 06:42 PM
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Jan 29 2012, 05:15 PM
221extra
Jan 29 2012, 04:54 PM
The White Rhino wins for me & here is why:

The forest elephant is shorter on average then the african bull elephant, even according to wikipedia which does have sources to back up what it claims that african forest elephants rarely exceed 8ft in height so the height advantage is not sufficient enough for the elephant to win same case scenario with the weigh advantage.
The white rhinoceros bull is 6ft at the shoulder while the horn which can be up to 4ft certainly cancels out any height advantage. And if these two clash the mass and acceleration of the white rhinoceros plus it's greater stability times the mass and acceleration of the elephant which is rather unstable in running for a distance. Would result either in a gore to the elephant's chest even possibly throat or the elephant falling do to the fact that it's less stable on it's legs. Anyways the African bush elephant bull beats all rhinos the other three do not.
I think a 6,000kg African Forest Elephant would be big for a White Rhinoceros.
At parity, I think the White Rhinoceros would defeat the elephant.


I'd argue weight isn't as big an issue in this contest, the main reason that the White Rhinoceros is so easily killed by the African Bush Elephant is because the Elephant is so much taller, but in this contest the height difference isn't significant enough to ensure victory for the Elephant.
I don't think that think 6000kg elephant would less than 2.5m tall.
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