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White Rhinoceros v African Forest Elephant
Topic Started: Jan 28 2012, 01:31 PM (22,341 Views)
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White Rhinoceros - Ceratotherium simum
The White Rhinoceros or Square-lipped rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum) is one of the five species of rhinoceros that still exist. It has a wide mouth used for grazing and is the most social of all rhino species. White Rhinoceroses are found in grassland and savannah habitat. Herbivore grazers that eat grass, preferring the shortest grains, the White Rhinoceros is one of the largest pure grazers. White Rhinoceroses produce sounds which include a panting contact call, grunts and snorts during courtship, squeals of distress, and deep bellows or growls when threatened. Threat displays (in males mostly) include wiping its horn on the ground and a head-low posture with ears back, combined with snarl threats and shrieking if attacked. The White Rhinoceros is quick and agile and can run 50 km/h (31 mph). The White Rhinoceros is the world's largest land mammal after the three species of elephant. It has a massive body and large head, a short neck and broad chest. The head and body length is 3.4 to 4.2 m (11 to 14 ft), with the tail adding another 37 to 71 cm (15 to 28 in). Shoulder height is 1.5 to 2 m (4 ft 10 in to 6 ft 7 in). Weight in this animal typically ranges from 1,360 to 3,630 kg (3,000 to 8,000 lb). The male, averaging 2,300 kg (5,100 lb) is slightly heavier than the female, at an average of 1,700 kg (3,700 lb). The largest recorded White Rhinoceros was about 4,500 kg (9,900 lb). On its snout it has two horn-like growths, one behind the other. These are made of solid keratin, in which they differ from the horns of bovids (cattle and their relatives), which are keratin with a bony core, and deer antlers, which are solid bone. The front horn is larger and averages 90 cm (35 in) in length, reaching as much as 150 cm (59 in).

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African Forest Elephant - Loxodonta cyclotis
The African Forest Elephant (Loxodonta cyclotis) is a forest dwelling elephant of the Congo Basin. Formerly considered either a synonym or a subspecies of the African Savanna Elephant (Loxodonta africana), a 2010 study established that the two are distinct species. These forest-dwelling elephants are smaller and darker than their savanna relatives and have smaller and characteristically rounded ears. The upper lip and nose are elongated into a trunk that is more hairy than that of the savanna elephants'. The male African Forest Elephant rarely exceed 2.5 metres (8 ft) in height, while the African Bush Elephant is usually over 3 meters (just under 10 feet) and sometimes almost 4 meters (13 ft) tall. With regard to the number of toenails: the African Bush Elephant normally has 4 toenails on the frontfoot and 3 on the hindfoot, the African Forest Elephant normally has 5 toenails on the frontfoot and 4 on the hindfoot (like the Asian elephant), but hybrids between the two species occur.
Male shoulder height: up to 2.5 m
Weight 2.7 - 6 tonnes

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African Forest elephant vs White rhino
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^ Well.. I'm not certain that the elephant had to be much larger then the rhino; it could have knocked it over after a prolonged struggle, or attacked the rhino from a favorable position..

Truly, I am surprised that no information on the size of these attacking elephants is available, after they were culled.
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Young bulls are expelled from heards from as young as 10 years old and they don't reach sexual maturity until being 25 years old. That leaves an approximate size range of 2.05-2.75m tall at the shoulder, that certainly makes them fit the size range of adult bull forest elephants.

And is not like all rhinos are 6ft tall and 2.5 tonnes, which I'm suspicious are weights of captive and not wild animals given how a 2.5m tall, 17 years old bush elephant bull would weight some 2.4 tonnes, maybe they were killing 1.5-1.6m tall, 1-1.5 tonne rhinos

Sources: Shrader et al. (2005) Growth and age determination of African savanna elephants.
Edited by blaze, Sep 22 2012, 06:08 AM.
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Elephantus
Sep 22 2012, 05:31 AM
^ Well.. I'm not certain that the elephant had to be much larger then the rhino; it could have knocked it over after a prolonged struggle, or attacked the rhino from a favorable position..

Truly, I am surprised that no information on the size of these attacking elephants is available, after they were culled.
"Some of the dead rhinos had gaping wounds, shaped like elephant tusks, in their backs. Others had suffered broken ribs and internal injuries that could have been inflicted only by a much larger animal."
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19941023&slug=1937416


Edited by 221Extra, Sep 22 2012, 06:34 AM.
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Sep 22 2012, 05:31 AM
^ Well.. I'm not certain that the elephant had to be much larger then the rhino; it could have knocked it over after a prolonged struggle, or attacked the rhino from a favorable position..

Truly, I am surprised that no information on the size of these attacking elephants is available, after they were culled.
"Some of the dead rhinos had gaping wounds, shaped like elephant tusks, in their backs. Others had suffered broken ribs and internal injuries that could have been inflicted only by a much larger animal."
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19941023&slug=1937416


Alright you could have a point.. although we also must wonder if those attacked rhinos examined were fully grown males...

Regardless, I cant imagine these juvenile bush elephants being bigger then ADULT forest ones. Furthermore, juvenile animals are (to my knowledge) never as formidable as their adult forms. Savanna elephants arent so much more impressive then forest elephants that their young would be higher up then the others adults.
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I think what many people don't get is that elephants don't kill rhinos because they're "adapted" to do so or are "superior fighters" (no one directly said this, but it seems this is what they were implying). Elephants kill rhinos because the elephants that do this are significantly heavier and taller than the rhinos they kill.

I don't know precisely how much these two megaherbivores really weigh on average, but assuming a fight at similar weights, I can think of no reason to automatically assume the elephant's victory due to incidents of elephants killing what are likely smaller rhinoceri.
Edited by Ausar, Aug 12 2016, 11:32 AM.
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Well i actually go for the rhino now..... as i favor rhinos over very similar-sized elephants.....
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the rhino wins against the forest elephant but with a african bush elephant is a much different story
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Close one but I say elephant, even though I think rhinos are underrated.
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it would depend on where the fight would take place because if its on on a hill the elephant can push the rhino over and break the rhinos leg
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african forest elephant would win 10/10 times,there are no accounts of white rhino killing any elephant, elephant are the strongest and biggest animals,african forest elephant would just gore and stomp and trample white rhino.

its basically same asian elephant vs white rhino, we know that asian elephant are far more stronger than white rhino.

and yes white rhino horn can do some injury to african forest elephant.
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animalkingdom
Aug 12 2016, 10:53 AM
african forest elephant would win 10/10 times,there are no accounts of white rhino killing any elephant, elephant are the strongest and biggest animals,african forest elephant would just gore and stomp and trample white rhino.

its basically same asian elephant vs white rhino, we know that asian elephant are far more stronger than white rhino.

and yes white rhino horn can do some injury to african forest elephant.
10/10? Really? I belive the Elepant will dominate and all but still.
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animalkingdom
Aug 12 2016, 10:53 AM
african forest elephant would win 10/10 times,there are no accounts of white rhino killing any elephant, elephant are the strongest and biggest animals,african forest elephant would just gore and stomp and trample white rhino.

its basically same asian elephant vs white rhino, we know that asian elephant are far more stronger than white rhino.

and yes white rhino horn can do some injury to african forest elephant.
Of course there's no incident of white rhinos besting elephants; they don't seem to live with elephants that are naturally as large as they are at adult size and the elephants they actually do live with are much bigger and stronger than they are. There seems to be nothing to elephant domination over rhinoceri aside from substantially greater size.
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Aug 12 2016, 11:14 AM
animalkingdom
Aug 12 2016, 10:53 AM
african forest elephant would win 10/10 times,there are no accounts of white rhino killing any elephant, elephant are the strongest and biggest animals,african forest elephant would just gore and stomp and trample white rhino.

its basically same asian elephant vs white rhino, we know that asian elephant are far more stronger than white rhino.

and yes white rhino horn can do some injury to african forest elephant.
10/10? Really? I belive the Elepant will dominate and all but still.
yes 10/10 if they ever got into fight white rhino would stand chance, elephant basically destroy big tress,believe me those too tusks of elephant are more stronger bigger than rhino horns.
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elephant can get almost double the size of average white rhino
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how easily male elephant flip female rhino without using much effort.Posted Image
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That's the african bush elephant, we're talking the forest elephant here. It only has a 400kg size advantage on average (2700 v 2300kg).
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Aug 13 2016, 12:14 AM
That's the african bush elephant, we're talking the forest elephant here. It only has a 400kg size advantage on average (2700 v 2300kg).
but african forest elephant can easily reach 4000 kg and are very comman ,and on the other hand its very very rare for biggest white rhino to even reach 4000 kg, the biggest white rhino was measured to be 4000 kg.
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