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Why don't carnivores ever prey on each other?
Topic Started: Feb 1 2012, 04:59 AM (10,430 Views)
bitisgabonica
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i think it was a group of crocodiles. i read an article of a dead tiger floating in the water with crocs gathered around it. but how did they deduce ot was a 15 footer?

is there any scan of tigers preying on salties? and how are they interpreting it as a fierce struggle?
Saltwater crocs are not very social so I doubt it would have been a group of them. Seeing as it was a big male it was probably known to occupy the territory and estimated to be around that size. As for the fierce struggle part it's probably stated because these are two powerful predators. Really though a tiger wouldn't stand a chance against a big croc in the water.
what about on land?

is there any account of reverse happening?

i was always curious about the coexistence of tigers and salties in sunderbans. i havent herd of any accounts. whereever i have seen rarely crocs are mentioned as a major predator in sunderbans.
Edited by bitisgabonica, Feb 25 2015, 04:45 PM.
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Lions eat hyenas, hyenas eat lion cubs, large raptors eat smaller ones, etc.

Also, herbivores eat other herbivores.

Truly the rules of nature are not set in stone.
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Feb 25 2015, 04:43 PM
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Feb 19 2015, 09:36 PM
Saltwater crocs are not very social so I doubt it would have been a group of them. Seeing as it was a big male it was probably known to occupy the territory and estimated to be around that size. As for the fierce struggle part it's probably stated because these are two powerful predators. Really though a tiger wouldn't stand a chance against a big croc in the water.
what about on land?

is there any account of reverse happening?

i was always curious about the coexistence of tigers and salties in sunderbans. i havent herd of any accounts. whereever i have seen rarely crocs are mentioned as a major predator in sunderbans.
Well tigers to hunt <10ft muggers on land. It probably could kill a big saltie on land but probably wouldn't dare.
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^animal fanboyism.

Wouldn't dare to kill a Saltie? You mean couldnt, right?.
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Feb 27 2015, 09:36 AM
^animal fanboyism.

Wouldn't dare to kill a Saltie? You mean couldnt, right?.
I love salties. And I do think that a sufficiently motivated tiger COULD kill a saltie on land.

But it would never do so for several reasons.

1) The risk factor is too damn high. For all the effort a tiger needs to kill a large croc, all the saltie really needs is a good bite to end the fight

2) It would take too long. It would involve circling the saltie repeatedly, dodging bites, waiting for it to tire out, and that's also assuming the saltie does go: swear word this, and simply go back into water

3) Any injuries the tiger take would cripple it, possibly to the point of death. Conversely, crocs can weather on despite grievous injuries
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Then it couldn't, not that it wouldn't. Ok? :)
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As the boat ambled on, Dr. Sanyal told of an eyewitness account reported many years ago: Crossing a broad river, like this one, a tiger had been followed by a crocodile. Maneuvering alongside the tiger, the crocodile thrashed its great tail, striking the tiger across his nose. Here Dr. Sanyal straightened his back and raised his head imperiously; unconsciously, he assumed the mien and manner of the hero-beast. "Tiger had blood coming out of his nose," Dr. Sanyal said, majestically. "But he did not say a thing. He kept on swimming. As soon as he got to the other side, he put one paw on the ground, and he turned with the second paw and came up under the crocodile's belly, and flipped him"-eighteen hundred pounds of estuarine crocodile, which the tiger then ripped open. There was a pause while we savored this tale of strategy and courage. Dr. Sanyal had regained his own gentle manner. "And this is why we love Tiger," he said."

http://www.newyorker.com/...alexander?currentPage=all

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Feb 27 2015, 10:30 AM
Then it couldn't, not that it wouldn't. Ok? :)
it would only if its sufficiently motivated
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Underestimating Tigers again, are we?

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"Tiger can't kill a Adult male Gaur"
"Tiger can't kill a big croc"
"Tiger can't kill a bear bigger than itself"
"tiger can't kill an elephant"

Heard this many times, it gets boring.
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/04/21/tigerland
Amur
Feb 27 2015, 03:35 PM
Underestimating Tigers again, are we?

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"Tiger can't kill a Adult male Gaur"
"Tiger can't kill a big croc"
"Tiger can't kill a bear bigger than itself"
"tiger can't kill an elephant"

Heard this many times, it gets boring.
When did Tigers kill Elephants? if any its the smaller ones.

i havent heard of a tiger killing a big bear

I have never seen it or heard it hunt a 200 pound gaur.
I havent heard of a tiger killing a huge saltie and Sunderbanss tigers are very small so how it would kill a saltie? and how it would flip a 1600 pound saltie?

so it owuld be comfortable f you provide some scans of observations or videos if available of these hunts.

and what about tiger's strength, jaw power? i think taht tigers are still least studied.

then largest wild tiger weighed?

Edited by bitisgabonica, Feb 27 2015, 03:45 PM.
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Feb 27 2015, 03:39 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/04/21/tigerland
Amur
Feb 27 2015, 03:35 PM
Underestimating Tigers again, are we?

Posted Image

"Tiger can't kill a Adult male Gaur"
"Tiger can't kill a big croc"
"Tiger can't kill a bear bigger than itself"
"tiger can't kill an elephant"

Heard this many times, it gets boring.
When did Tigers kill Elephants? if any its the smaller ones.

i havent heard of a tiger killing a big bear

I have never seen it or heard it hunt a 200 pound gaur.
I havent heard of a tiger killing a huge saltie and Sunderbanss tigers are very small so how it would kill a saltie? and how it would flip a 1600 pound saltie?

so it owuld be comfortable f you provide some scans of observations or videos if available of these hunts.

and what about tiger's strength, jaw power? i think taht tigers are still least studied.

then largest wild tiger weighed?

http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/10247892/1/

http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/10268233/1/

Tiger strength

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QUOTES FROM BERG'S BOOK

The best way to describe in what way the Bhutan tiger operated is to quote from his book (the quotes were translated from German to English).

1 - While searching for "the Killer of Men', Berg found a dead male buffalo near the Bhutan border:

" ... It was a very large wild male buffalo, and he was lying on his side, the head underneath his body and the horns sticking in the ground (...). It looked like the tiger had broken his neck with a single grip. The grip was such, that the heavy body also was thrown over. A tiger able to kill a buffalo of about a thousand kg. (about 2200 lbs.) in such an easy way, had to have unimaginable power ... " (pp. 169).

2 - At first, because he was a killer of men, Berg wanted to shoot the tiger. He waited near the buffalo and shot the tiger in the evening. Next morning, he discovered he had shot a tigress. And a very large one at that:

" ... There he was, lying just after he had been hit by the bullit. It turned out to be a mighty, extremely beautifully coloured, tigress ... " (pp. 175).

3 - After the tigress was shot, a man came running to Berg telling him his largest bull (a captive buffalo this time) had been killed by a giant tiger. Berg went to the place where the bull was lying:

" ... The prints showed the tiger was a very large animal and the bull was in exactly the same position as the wild male buffalo, the broken neck and the head beneath the heavy body (...). It was undoubtedly the work of the same master ... " (pp. 176).

4 - Berg again waited near the dead bull. This time, he actually saw the tiger:

" ... I knew directly that this was the largest tiger I had seen. Every time I saw parts of him, it seemed as if his back had no end. When he finally showed himself completely, it wasn't the length that baffled me, but the width, the robustness and the circumference of his bull-like neck, the huge shoulders, the robust body and the enormous head ... " (pp. 179).

5 - Berg wanted the tiger to reproduce. His decision wasn't appreciated. The local farmers and cart-drivers continued to inform him on his whereabouts. Berg, therefore, went from one wild buffalo to the other. Occasionally, there was a captive bull. The largest only, of course. Berg time and again concluded the animals had been killed in exactly the same way:

" ... He killed a buffalo some nights later. The buffalo was lying in the usual way with the neck broken ... " (pp. 182).
" ... And the bull was lying in the usual way, with his neck broken and the head turned underneath the heavy body ... " (pp. 184).
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Feb 27 2015, 03:35 PM
Underestimating Tigers again, are we?

Posted Image

"Tiger can't kill a Adult male Gaur"
"Tiger can't kill a big croc"
"Tiger can't kill a bear bigger than itself"
"tiger can't kill an elephant"

Heard this many times, it gets boring.
A tiger fanboy, are you?
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Feb 27 2015, 04:01 PM
Amur
Feb 27 2015, 03:35 PM
Underestimating Tigers again, are we?

Posted Image

"Tiger can't kill a Adult male Gaur"
"Tiger can't kill a big croc"
"Tiger can't kill a bear bigger than itself"
"tiger can't kill an elephant"

Heard this many times, it gets boring.
A tiger fanboy, are you?
You could say that, but why wouldn't you fanboy the hell out of one the greatest predators of all time?
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Thank you for comforting my suspicions about you. :)
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Feb 27 2015, 04:15 PM
Thank you for comforting my suspicions about you. :)
As long as I completed my duties in proving you wrong when you underestimated the Tiger, I'm okay with everything else m7
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