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60 lb starving cougar with badly broken leg kills pitbull.
Topic Started: Feb 2 2012, 07:06 AM (27,946 Views)
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But I thought you said a single swipe would kill a dog.
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when the claw hit the cervical artery..yes
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One thing i learnt about pitbulls in media that a ''pitbull'' can be anything from english bull terrier, stafordshire terrier to a fat slug american bully and other muts.
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Bullmastiff fights and beats larger mountain lion
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Joe Carreiro, owner of the massacred emus, said he spotted the lion walking away from one of the carcasses at about 6:30 a.m. Wednesday and then an hour later as it stalked his neighbor's horse. At that point, Carreiro said his dog, a 120-pound bull mastiff, crawled under a fence and barreled into the mountain lion, starting a fight that left the dog with scratches across its neck and arms but forcing the heavier cat to retreat.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1118emumassacre.html
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Feb 4 2012, 06:10 PM
when the claw hit the cervical artery..yes
That seems unlikely in a conflict. Pumas kill dogs with a bite to the back of the head area usually. Literally within a matter of moments for baying hounds.
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Feb 4 2012, 06:35 AM
Heres for you all I posted in the other thread. Young cougar cub fights two pitbulls, and a boxer. 1 pitbull winds up dead, and other two are seriously wounded by an adolescent cougar. Humor me pitbull fanatics, tell me your excuses. In a small Cougar adolescent fighting 2 pits and a boxer, Killing one and nearly killing the other 2. Human vets saved the other 2. Humor me pitbull fans. lol

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/jun/14/still-no-sign-of-possibly-wounded-cougar-after/?partner=RSS

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/jun/12/wounded-cougar-being-hunted-near-seabeck/


Some appeared to have claw marks and puncture wounds, indicating an attack by a small cougar.

The search for a reportedly wounded cougar continued Sunday in Seabeck.

Trained hounds were used once again to search an area near Hintzville, where last week a cougar is believed to have injured two pit bulls and a boxer in different incidents. One of the pit bulls had to be euthanized following the attack, its owner, Carrie Ramirez, said Saturday.

But just as they had Friday, the hounds failed to pick up a scent in the area, off Lost Highway, Sgt. Ted Jackson of the state Department of Fish and Wildlife said Sunday.

Jackson said residents in the area should always pay attention to where pets and children venture in such a rural environment. He encouraged anyone who spots the cougar to call the Washington State Patrol at (360) 405-6650.

But for now, "there's really nothing we can do," Jackson said.

The first attack came Tuesday, when the male pit bull was mortally wounded. On Friday, the cougar returned, Ramirez said, injuring a male boxer and a second pit bull, a female pregnant with the deceased male's babies.

Both incidents featured puncture wounds and claw marks, the signs of a cougar attack.

The cougar was reportedly wounded during the second attack Friday, when a man shot it in the hindquarters, Ramirez said.

The family was able to get the boxer and the pit bull to a veterinarian's hospital. The boxer's life was saved by the vet, Ramirez said, and the pit bull was treated as well.



Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/jun/14/still-no-sign-of-possibly-wounded-cougar-after/?partner=RSS#ixzz1lM4fRlW0

Lol, I hate to tell you but no one ever said that a pit bull could kill a cougar. But keep going, you seem to be having fun
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Feb 4 2012, 06:20 PM
One thing i learnt about pitbulls in media that a ''pitbull'' can be anything from english bull terrier, stafordshire terrier to a fat slug american bully and other muts.
I tend to agree. But I don't think that 'pedigree' matters as much for fighting prowess as some posters here want to make us believe. Like if some procent of this or that - especially if the 'contaminating' percentage comes from some other powerful, aggressive breed - would matter. I'm convinced it's more about the individual and the training that it receives. We have seen that even among 'throughbreed' APTB there is a huge variety in phenotype, between those who are more 'bulldog' like and those who are more 'terrier' like. And being so different, the two extremes cannot have the same fighting prowess - which makes the claim that APBTs are perfect fighting machines rather irrelevant. At most, one could claim that a certain subset of APBT is a top fighting dog.

If you hear dog breeders and dog 'experts', you would almost believe that they can engineer a dog to the most accurate degree, giving it exactly all the characteristics they wish. But there are clear limits to selective breeding. We need to wait for advances in genetic engineering before being able to do what certain people claim. And I would like to see how somebody could tell a 'pure APBT' from one that is, to say, 75% APBT and 25% Staffordshire bull terrier. And how you can know the pedigree of fighting dogs used by those criminal gangs? Do they send a certificate to all the dog fans? agro
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Feb 4 2012, 09:37 PM
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Feb 4 2012, 06:20 PM
One thing i learnt about pitbulls in media that a ''pitbull'' can be anything from english bull terrier, stafordshire terrier to a fat slug american bully and other muts.
I tend to agree. But I don't think that 'pedigree' matters as much for fighting prowess as some posters here want to make us believe. Like if some procent of this or that - especially if the 'contaminating' percentage comes from some other powerful, aggressive breed - would matter. I'm convinced it's more about the individual and the training that it receives. We have seen that even among 'throughbreed' APTB there is a huge variety in phenotype, between those who are more 'bulldog' like and those who are more 'terrier' like. And being so different, the two extremes cannot have the same fighting prowess - which makes the claim that APBTs are perfect fighting machines rather irrelevant. At most, one could claim that a certain subset of APBT is a top fighting dog.

If you hear dog breeders and dog 'experts', you would almost believe that they can engineer a dog to the most accurate degree, giving it exactly all the characteristics they wish. But there are clear limits to selective breeding. We need to wait for advances in genetic engineering before being able to do what certain people claim. And I would like to see how somebody could tell a 'pure APBT' from one that is, to say, 75% APBT and 25% Staffordshire bull terrier. And how you can know the pedigree of fighting dogs used by those criminal gangs? Do they send a certificate to all the dog fans? agro
Pedigrees are important for majority of dog breeds, working or otherwise. Even when people outcross dogs to other breeds with the purpose of improving a certain type (hunting dogs for example) it's not uncommon for them to seek game bred APBT. The chances of getting higher quality animals in the long run is higher because one knows that these dogs come from purer working lines. With just any pitbull the risk of producing subpar animals is definitely higher but of course there are rules to the exception.

Despite certain physical qualities, a less bulldogish influenced APBT compared to one with more bull quality, both are still bred for the same trait, gameness and often are bred to one another, outcrossed to the bloodlines, etc. It is why on average, the breed is between 30-55 pounds and can have many phenotypes. If you have a gamedog with decent wind, mouth and gameness, you could breed that dog to one with superior wind, less mouth and gameness. Therefore the dogs you produce have a chance of producing overall better qualities combined than the parents. A dog with great wind, a hard bite and with gameness.

The easiest way to tell if a dog is a working APBT is to look at its pedigree. There are quite a few bull and terrier breeds and most of them have not been bred to the extent of the APBT. There are some gamebred staffordshires however, but I am not familiar with their bloodlines besides some of the old historical blood. Most of the pedigrees of the dogs are online in multiple languages depending on what country we're talking about. So yes, if you're following the state of the breed today, you can know a lot about the important lines of today despite whatever country they're being bred in.
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To actually READ Monster J's accounts...

To start, a 150 lb Malamute? Yeah, I'm not buying that at all. 60 lbs over the maximum size to begin with.

With the Great Pyrenees...
"The deputies shot and killed the mountain lion. Because the dog had difficultly breathing and was badly hurt, the deputies also shot the dog at Haymond's request."
So all in all, Haymond was a fool. The Cougar didn't even kill the dog - which as a fat (from being 150 lbs) tame pet that may not have even fought back at all. But from an unprofessional assesment she ordered her bloodied dog to be destroyed to because it had breathing difficulties. (Not suprising being 30lbs overweight if it was a large male, which it may not have been at all.)

Now to compare with more recent and valid accounts what dogs can withstand from Cougars :
http://www.king5.com/news/Dog-loses-leg-in-cougar-attack-near-Lake-Stevens-125112909.html
"Because Riley had a run-in with a cougar. He lost his front right leg in the attack. The left one is broken.

"He's so young, he's got so much fight in him,” said Syson.

It was last Thursday when Rachel came home to find Riley lying on the front porch.

“I could see every bone, every muscle in his paw and at first I thought he was hit by a car," she said.

The family thinks the cougar was lurking in the grass undetected and then chased and cornered Riley before attacking.

Rachel's dad saw warning signs that a cougar may be near.

"The coyotes seemed to disappear all of a sudden, we haven't seen or heard from them,” said Doug Syson.
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A young dog loosing it's leg and recovering. Good thing Tara Haymond wasn't his owner or Riley would have been euthanised. rolleyes

An also -
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=84149&catid=222
"Laura Jirsa watched the mountain lion pounce on her dog, Lady, and drag her into the woods. Jirsa was certain her dog was dead. Later that night, Lady limped home. The 1-year-old Blue Heeler was bloody and barely able to stand.

Monday morning, Jirsa was walking with Lady along a trail near her home in a remote area on Stanley Mountain.

Lady was 150 feet down an embankment from the trail when the mountain lion attacked.

"When I realized it was a mountain lion, I really started hollering," Jirsa said. "I was pretty much at its mercy if I did decide to go down there."

The large cat picked up the 40-pound dog and carried it out of sight.

Jirsa ran for help and when she returned, there was no sign of the mountain lion or her dog.

"Over and over and over I saw that scene in my head and felt the helplessness of that," Jirsa said.

She spent the day in her house, wracked with grief.

Until the moment, part way through the afternoon, when Lady staggered into the house.

The dog was bleeding and covered with dirt.

Dr. Jody Engel of Mountain Park Veterinary Hospital says Lady was nearly comatose when Jirsa carried the dog into the clinic.

Engel says it's rare for a dog as small as Lady to survive such a severe attack.

"She's very lucky to be alive," Engel said. "She actually has a fractured skull. It was amazing because you could see her breathing through her forehead.
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Now, I am not saying that I think a 40 lb Cattle Dog bitch would beat a large Cougar - nor would any dog - and doing so would be inaccuratley twisting my words. The accounts above are to show what a good, healthy dog can withstand. And not to euthanise them because they have breathing difficulties.

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Feb 4 2012, 08:29 AM
But I thought you said a single swipe would kill a dog.
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A Large North American MAle cougar has an can easily kill a dog with a single paw swipe with sheer power. Any cougar however can kill a dog with a single swat, slitting the throat, tearing a vital vien or organ. When I have more time I'll post several examples. One swipe can easily end a dogs life. You should know this.
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Feb 4 2012, 06:31 PM
Bullmastiff fights and beats larger mountain lion
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Joe Carreiro, owner of the massacred emus, said he spotted the lion walking away from one of the carcasses at about 6:30 a.m. Wednesday and then an hour later as it stalked his neighbor's horse. At that point, Carreiro said his dog, a 120-pound bull mastiff, crawled under a fence and barreled into the mountain lion, starting a fight that left the dog with scratches across its neck and arms but forcing the heavier cat to retreat.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1118emumassacre.html
Let's see what you have there. Hmmm. A Bull mastiff was scared up from in the face by a cougar that killed a bunch of imus. An then fled the scene. Even if that's the case, that's not a win by any means for the dog. Looks like the dog got punished, and then cougar fled. Juding by the claw marks, it appears to be a smaller cougar.

That being said English bullmastiffs have the strongest bites of any dogs. One of the most formidable of dogs. Very very strong dogs. But the story you quoted tells me, a cougar was caught in the act, clawed up the dog, and fled. According to the owner.


That being said I'll take an English bull mastiff over a dogos chances, any day of the week. There bad dogs, the strongest dogs I've been with.
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Canidae. I can post stories of Africans surviving lion pride attacks. Or surviving crocodile attacks. People and animals survive things. I can also post stories of dogs heads being severed by cougars. I don't understand what you canine fans think is cool about a human or dog surviving an attack. it happens. Other times the person or animal is mangled. Lmao healthy dogs? Healthy humans. People and animals survive attacks it happens.
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Please do post, I'm can't wait to see them.
Hunter's tales? 100+ year old accounts? Fanatical cougar site?
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Feb 4 2012, 06:31 PM
Bullmastiff fights and beats larger mountain lion
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Joe Carreiro, owner of the massacred emus, said he spotted the lion walking away from one of the carcasses at about 6:30 a.m. Wednesday and then an hour later as it stalked his neighbor's horse. At that point, Carreiro said his dog, a 120-pound bull mastiff, crawled under a fence and barreled into the mountain lion, starting a fight that left the dog with scratches across its neck and arms but forcing the heavier cat to retreat.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1118emumassacre.html
i think the cougar "escaped" from the human.
The story shows an interaction between a dog and a cougar.
I think the real story was, a cougar, a dog AND a screaming human.

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