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60 lb starving cougar with badly broken leg kills pitbull.
Topic Started: Feb 2 2012, 07:06 AM (27,943 Views)
Grazier
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Feb 12 2017, 12:25 PM
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Feb 12 2017, 03:38 AM
Regarding the Bull Mastiff/Cougar account odds are the Cougar was infact roughed up, lost interest and left and the BM just returned to its "territory" rather than pursue the Cougar?

People act like it's always a cat victory unless the cat dies. But if it were reversed and a Cougar simply roughed up a larger dog and the dog just left it'd suddenly be "The dog hit its ass handed to it lol "

Like, where's the middle ground here?


Grazier
Feb 12 2017, 04:00 AM

And you're totally right, the reality is if a cat has any sort of upper hand it kills its foe, or at least produces deep bite wounds, claw scratches to the dog, no bite wounds, a retreating cat, all points to the bullmastiff winning the altercation.


All evidence points to no serious physical fight at all. An inbred moron claims his dog scared a cougar off by running into it. The cat whacks the dog "that left the dog with scratches across its neck and arms", and the cat runs off.

I can see why those who are desperate to find a domestic dog performing admirably against a wild cat might cling to this account, but in doing so they really demonstrate the complete lack of evidence they have to support their views.

No "serious" physical fight I agree. That's because the cougar learned enough from the non-serious scuffle to know it wasn't going to fare well, and so it fled.

We can't give W's for forfeits. It has to be L's.

No one is denying felines are masters of fleeing fights they're going to lose. It's unlikely the dog side will ever get the "evidence" the cat side demands, and it's because their hero is a master quitter, coward and forfeitter. That is just inherently unfair.

Take the L. Hold it. Cherish it.
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Grazier
Feb 12 2017, 05:45 PM
Taipan
Feb 12 2017, 12:25 PM
Black Ice
Feb 12 2017, 03:38 AM
Regarding the Bull Mastiff/Cougar account odds are the Cougar was infact roughed up, lost interest and left and the BM just returned to its "territory" rather than pursue the Cougar?

People act like it's always a cat victory unless the cat dies. But if it were reversed and a Cougar simply roughed up a larger dog and the dog just left it'd suddenly be "The dog hit its ass handed to it lol "

Like, where's the middle ground here?


Grazier
Feb 12 2017, 04:00 AM

And you're totally right, the reality is if a cat has any sort of upper hand it kills its foe, or at least produces deep bite wounds, claw scratches to the dog, no bite wounds, a retreating cat, all points to the bullmastiff winning the altercation.


All evidence points to no serious physical fight at all. An inbred moron claims his dog scared a cougar off by running into it. The cat whacks the dog "that left the dog with scratches across its neck and arms", and the cat runs off.

I can see why those who are desperate to find a domestic dog performing admirably against a wild cat might cling to this account, but in doing so they really demonstrate the complete lack of evidence they have to support their views.

No "serious" physical fight I agree. That's because the cougar learned enough from the non-serious scuffle to know it wasn't going to fare well, and so it fled.


No you cant bullshit stories like that, it is another example of things you do in posts that render their quality dribble. You have no idea of what the cougar knew, what happened in the interaction or why it fled. Therefore your post should be ignored. The only 'evidence' is "the dog with scratches across its neck and arms". Having contacted the authority that visited and investigated the place where the incident happened, he could not tell what happened either. However when I asked about the severity of the scratches and whether they required veterinary attention, he said "folks in these parts do their own suturing on their animals"


Grazier
Feb 12 2017, 05:45 PM
No one is denying felines are masters of fleeing fights they're going to lose. It's unlikely the dog side will ever get the "evidence" the cat side demands, and it's because their hero is a master quitter, coward and forfeitter. That is just inherently unfair.


Dogs are masters of fleeing fights - the old running away with their tails between their legs scenario. Here is a canine master quitter, coward and forfeitter:

"Cougars are known to also go after pets. One picked a fight with a pitbull in Gowland Todd Park a few years ago, causing the dog several wounds.

“I heard him defending himself and then came running down this hill.”

That led to a standoff with the cougar, where the dog’s owner had time to snap his photo, before the cougar ran away.

“I wanted proof, to show people that it happened.”


http://www.cheknews.ca/look-back-terrifying-cougar-attacks-vancouver-island-179478/




Here is another canine master quitter, coward and forfeitter:

Pit bull survives cougar attack on Sunshine Coast

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In a battle to the death between a cougar and a pit bull, most would probably bet on the cougar.

But that was not the case for a lucky four-year-old pit bull named Bruce that took on a cougar, narrowly escaping with its life after the cougar sank its teeth into Bruce’s head.

A small and quiet dog, Bruce was attacked by what conservation officers believe was a cougar on Thursday in the woods near Powell River on the Sunshine Coast.

Bruce’s owner Ron Smid, a landscape photographer who lives in a secluded area, said his brother Milan Smid was looking after two of his dogs, Bruce and another pit bull named Shyla.

His brother let the dogs out of his van to run the last half kilometre of road before reaching his house. But Bruce ran off into the forest. Smid said his brother drove around looking for Bruce, calling out his name.

Then he saw the dog tear out of the woods “running for his life.” Bruce was bleeding and had clearly been in some kind of fight, he said.

But it wasn’t until later, when the vet shaved the dog, they realized the extent of his injuries.

“What he has are puncture wounds from a very large cougar that apparently ambushed the dog, swallowed the head, held the head and tried to crush its skull,” said Smid. “It had its claws on both sides of the dog’s body, and had dug its nails in to hold it still as it tried to break the skull of the dog.”

Smid said Bruce, which he describes as a runt-like pit bull, somehow pulled its head out of the cougar’s mouth.

“He has big scratch-like marks as if a fork was dragged down his forehead, and a big puncture wound as if a screwdriver had gone right down in the middle of his head, where the fang of the cat went into the head.

ticrawford@vancouversun.com

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/bull+survives+cougar+attack+Sunshine+Coast/11015221/story.html
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In the first case the dog is definitely a coward, a forfeitter and a loser. If you had the integrity to label equivalent felines the same way a lot of progress would be made.

The second case? Unknown. In fact, it would seem the cougar must have been the cowardly forfeitter, after it's failed kill attempt the cougar most likely fled knowing it was doomed, surely it would have had the speed to chase and catch the injured pitbull if it so desired, but it gave up. I'd suggest the dog most likely pushed the offense after it turned the tables on the ambush attack, and at that point the cougar quit, like the yellow coward it is.
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Feb 12 2017, 08:31 PM
I'd suggest the dog most likely pushed the offense after it turned the tables on the ambush attack, and at that point the cougar quit, like the yellow coward it is.


and to celebrate the fact : "the dog tear out of the woods “running for his life.” lol

Using your idiotic logic in the bull mastiff incident : "I'd suggest the Cougar most likely pushed the offense after it turned the tables on the ambush attack, and at that point the Bull mastiff quit, like the canine coward it is. The Cougar then teared into woods NOT running for his or her life"!





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No "serious" physical fight I agree. That's because the cougar learned enough from the non-serious scuffle to know it wasn't going to fare well, and so it fled.


Well, according to your logic the black bears running from charging cats 'know' that they wouldn't fare well in a fight... Having irrational fear of something doesn't tell much about the reality of the threat. I wouldn't be surprised if a well fed cougar that happens to stroll near human dwellings and hears a small dog barking would run away. Wild animals, even predators, generally want to avoid potential trouble. If the same cougar were starving, however, he would probably stalk the dog.
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No "serious" physical fight I agree. That's because the cougar learned enough from the non-serious scuffle to know it wasn't going to fare well, and so it fled.


Well, according to your logic the black bears running from charging cats 'know' that they wouldn't fare well in a fight... Having irrational fear of something doesn't tell much about the reality of the threat. I wouldn't be surprised if a well fed cougar that happens to stroll near human dwellings and hears a small dog barking would run away. Wild animals, even predators, generally want to avoid potential trouble. If the same cougar were starving, however, he would probably stalk the dog.
A bullmastiff would never get close to a cougar that didn't want to fight. Only a very very fast dog could force a fight on an unwilling cougar.
This cougar backed itself to kill the dog and then abruptly changed its mind when it got beat up.
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Okay, the pit bull was 50 lbs. Thats tiny. My pitbulls are 80-130 lbs. They would kill that puma. Also, a Tibetan mastiff, Caucasian shapherd, and kangal would kill a healthy puma alone.
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Okay, the pit bull was 50 lbs. Thats tiny. My pitbulls are 80-130 lbs. They would kill that puma. Also, a Tibetan mastiff, Caucasian shapherd, and kangal would kill a healthy puma alone.
I strongly doubt that. Cougars kill Wolves occasionally, and Leopard have been known to prey on Domestic Dogs.

Also mind resizing you're signature. Its a bit to big I belive. You can change the resolution by doing this.
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Feb 14 2017, 03:01 AM
Okay, the pit bull was 50 lbs. Thats tiny. My pitbulls are 80-130 lbs. They would kill that puma. Also, a Tibetan mastiff, Caucasian shapherd, and kangal would kill a healthy puma alone.
not the snow leopard that killed several tibetan mastiffs in one night.
Source: chinese newspaper..posted from me several times.
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I strongly doubt that. Cougars kill Wolves occasionally, and Leopard have been known to prey on Domestic Dogs.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the 60 lb starving cougar with a broken leg.
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Feb 14 2017, 05:19 AM
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I strongly doubt that. Cougars kill Wolves occasionally, and Leopard have been known to prey on Domestic Dogs.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the 60 lb starving cougar with a broken leg.
Im talking about the last part of his post.
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Im talking about the last part of his post.

Oh.
Didn't see it because of the giant signature that makes me need to scroll to see the messaage.
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To be brutally straightforward, I've never heard of a Leopard or a Cougar killing a male Bull Mastiff or any formidable Guard Dog that rivals their weight.

I'm not saying it's unlikely, but I've legit never seen an account. All I hear is leopards kill "Domestic" dogs.
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^ I don't know how formidable you'd consider an anatolian but here's something Link
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Okay, the pit bull was 50 lbs. Thats tiny. My pitbulls are 80-130 lbs

What kind of pitbull is that?
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