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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 2 2012, 08:42 PM (5,108 Views) | |
| Taipan | Feb 2 2012, 08:42 PM Post #1 |
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2 Smilodon populators Smilodon, often called a saber-toothed cat or wrongly a saber-toothed tiger, is an extinct genus of machairodonts. This saber-toothed cat was endemic to North America and South America, living from near the beginning through the very end of the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 mya—10,000 years ago). Smilodon populator ("Smilodon the Devastator"), 1 million-10,000 years ago; occurred in the eastern parts of South America and was the largest species of all machairodonts. It was much larger than its cousins, S. fatalis and S. gracilis, possessing a massive chest and front legs, and is the largest known variety of saber-toothed cat. It was more than 1.40 m (55 in) high at the shoulder, 2.6 m (100 in) long on average and had a 30 cm (12 in) tail. Smilodon populator was substantially heavier and larger than any extant felid, with a body mass range of 220–360 kg. Particularly large specimens of S. populator almost certainly exceeded 400 kg in body mass. Its upper canines reached 30 cm (12 in) and protruded up to 17 cm (6.7 in) out of the upper jaw. Genetic evidence suggests that Smilodon populator and other members of the genus diverged from the main lineage of modern cats (subfamily Felinae) around 14-18 million years ago. ![]() Hippopotamus - Hippopotamus amphibius The hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius), or hippo, from the ancient Greek for "river horse" (ἱπποπόταμος), is a large, mostly herbivorous mammal in sub-Saharan Africa, and one of only two extant species in the family Hippopotamidae (the other is the Pygmy Hippopotamus.) After the elephant and rhinoceros, the hippopotamus is the third largest land mammal and the heaviest extant artiodactyl. The hippopotamus is semi-aquatic, inhabiting rivers, lakes and mangrove swamps where territorial bulls preside over a stretch of river and groups of 5 to 30 females and young. During the day they remain cool by staying in the water or mud; reproduction and childbirth both occur in water. They emerge at dusk to graze on grass. While hippopotamuses rest near each other in the water, grazing is a solitary activity and hippos are not territorial on land. Despite their physical resemblance to pigs and other terrestrial even-toed ungulates, their closest living relatives are cetaceans (whales, porpoises, etc.) from which they diverged about 55 million years ago. The common ancestor of whales and hippos split from other even-toed ungulates around 60 million years ago. The earliest known hippopotamus fossils, belonging to the genus Kenyapotamus in Africa, date to around 16 million years ago. The hippopotamus is recognizable by its barrel-shaped torso, enormous mouth and teeth, nearly hairless body, stubby legs and tremendous size. It is the third largest land mammal by weight (between 1½ and 3 tonnes), behind the white rhinoceros (1½ to 3½ tonnes) and the three species of elephant (3 to 9 tonnes). The hippopotamus is one of the largest quadrupeds (four legged mammals). Despite its stocky shape and short legs, it can easily outrun a human. Hippos have been clocked at 30 km/h (19 mph) over short distances. The hippopotamus is one of the most aggressive creatures in the world and is often regarded as one of the most dangerous animals in Africa. There are an estimated 125,000 to 150,000 hippos throughout Sub-Saharan Africa; Zambia (40,000) and Tanzania (20,000–30,000) possess the largest populations. They are still threatened by habitat loss and poaching for their meat and ivory canine teeth. Hippopotamuses are among the largest living mammals; only elephants and some rhinoceroses and whales are heavier. They can live in the water or on land. Their specific gravity allows them to sink and walk or run along the bottom of a river. Hippos are considered megafauna, but unlike all other African megafauna, hippos have adapted for a semi-aquatic life in freshwater lakes and rivers. Because of their enormous size, hippopotamuses are difficult to weigh in the wild. Most estimates of the weight come from culling operations that were carried out in the 1960s. The average weights for adult males ranged between 1,500–1,800 kg (3,300–4,000 lb). Females are smaller than their male counterparts, with average weights measuring between 1,300–1,500 kg (2,900–3,300 lb). Older males can get much larger, reaching at least 3,200 kg (7,100 lb) and occasionally weighing 4,500 kg (9,900 lb). Male hippos appear to continue growing throughout their lives; females reach a maximum weight at around age 25. ![]() ____________________________________________________________________________
Edited by Taipan, Mar 26 2018, 03:18 PM.
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| DinosaurMichael | Feb 3 2012, 10:10 AM Post #16 |
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Was it sick or anything though or maybe it wasn't fully grown? An adult male bull. I think would be rather hard. Edited by DinosaurMichael, Feb 3 2012, 10:12 AM.
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| populator135 | Feb 3 2012, 10:17 AM Post #17 |
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I cannot tell you about the physical condition of the animal.
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| DinosaurMichael | Feb 3 2012, 10:17 AM Post #18 |
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Oh alright then. Just asked. |
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| Ursus panthera | Sep 6 2012, 04:17 PM Post #19 |
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A close fight but the cats will win |
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| Vivyx | Feb 18 2013, 06:21 PM Post #20 |
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Felines, sharks, birds, arthropods
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I think this could go either way. Hippos still aren't extremely agile on land despite being faster than some people think, and Smilodon, while not as agile as lions nowadays, could perhaps get on the back of the hippo. However it might still not be too easy doing that to such a large animal, but Smilodon did have experience with Toxodon and Giant Ice Age Bison. However, the bison is very large and has some impressive teeth that can be used against one which could kill it, and if it doesn't get too much injuries from the first one, then the other would be in trouble.
Edited by Vivyx, Jun 14 2015, 10:51 PM.
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| Taipan | Mar 24 2018, 03:16 PM Post #21 |
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We have this! |
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| Black Ice | Mar 24 2018, 11:05 PM Post #22 |
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To be completely honest I really think a single Smilo could have taken down a Hippo. |
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| Valtodo | Mar 24 2018, 11:58 PM Post #23 |
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It is a mismatch in favour of the cats. What can the Hyppo do? Just sit,stay and wait to be eaten. The only way Hyppo can hurt the 2 cats is buy stepping on them or somehow biting them,something I see nearly impossible. |
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| Mammuthus | Mar 25 2018, 12:28 AM Post #24 |
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Well it could do that, or it could attempt to bite at the Smilodon’ with its enormous jaws and cause severe wounds. |
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| Lightning | Mar 25 2018, 12:35 AM Post #25 |
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Smilodons win. Hippos are overrated imo. While very formidable in the water, it's almost helpless on land against large, powerful predators. It will quickly become a tired out piece of giant meat ball with its skin already in pain due to lack of water. |
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| K9 Bite | Mar 25 2018, 12:39 AM Post #26 |
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Hippos are feirce but they are also large, somewhat slow and rely mostly on their bite for any offensive behavior. This is the exact kind of prey that was probably on the Smildon's menu, similar to the animal Toxodon. I favor the big cats in this scenario (assuming it's on land of course.) |
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| Lightning | Mar 25 2018, 12:39 AM Post #27 |
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It won't be able to catch a much faster and more agile smilodon. Yeah, mismatch in favour of the smilodons on land and mismatch in favour of the hippo if the fight happens in water
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| Mammuthus | Mar 25 2018, 01:06 AM Post #28 |
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Never said it could, all I said is that it could attempt such a thing. But it is worth noting that due to Smilodons ‘bear like’ build it probably wasn’t as agile as modern day Cats. Anyway I think I may favour the duo. |
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| Cat | Mar 25 2018, 01:14 AM Post #29 |
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I totally agree with you. Even two male lions have been able to kill a hippo: http://scribol.com/environment/animals-environment/lion-vs-hippo/ Of course provided the fight is on land or very shallow water. In deeper water the tables would be turned. |
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| K9 Bite | Mar 25 2018, 02:04 AM Post #30 |
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Obviously, the cats would be bite sized steaks in the water haha. |
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