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Who wins?
Scottish Wildcat 21 (45.7%)
Patterdale Terrier 25 (54.3%)
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Scottish Wildcat v Patterdale Terrier
Topic Started: Feb 3 2012, 05:26 PM (21,675 Views)
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Scottish Wildcat - Felis sylvestris grampia
By appearance the Scottish wildcat resembles a very muscular domestic tabby, the coat is made up of well defined brown and black stripes and usually has a ruffled appearance due to its thickness. The gait is more like that of a big cat and the face and jaw are wider and more heavy set than the domestic cat. Most apparent is the beautiful tail; thick and ringed with perfect bands of black and brown ending in a blunt black tip. The Scottish form is the largest in the wildcat family with males typically between 6-9kg (13-17lb) and females 5-7kg (11-15lb), around 50% larger than the average domestic cat. Fossil examples measuring 4 feet from nose to tail have been found; such a cat could have weighed around 14kg (30lb). Their body is an evolutionary perfection; eighteen razor sharp retractable claws and rotating wrists for gripping prey and climbing trees, immensely powerful thigh muscles for 30mph sprinting, the ability to fall from the highest pine tree, land on its feet and walk away unscathed, incredible stealth, balance and agility all wrapped in a thick, camoflaged and religiously cleaned coat with one downy layer to keep in the warm and another outer layer to keep out the rain and cold.

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Patterdale Terrier
The Patterdale Terrier is a breed of working dog that originated in the Lake District of Cumbria in Northwest England. The name Patterdale refers to a small village a little south of Ullswater and a few miles east of Helvellyn. The Patterdale is a type of Fell Terrier. The Patterdale terrier was "improved" and brought into the Kennel Club as the Welsh Terrier after a brief naming struggle in which the name "Old English Broken-coated Terrier" was attempted before being rejected by the Kennel Club hierarchy. The Patterdale Terrier is sometimes called the "Old English Terrier" or the "Fell Terrier". The Patterdale Terrier is a small working dog. In the UK it is not a dog type that is recognized by the UK Kennel Cub as a pedigree. As such the Patterdale has been bred as a working dog, so the appearance can differ widely. This phenomenon is common in several types of working dog, including the Border Collie. There is no breed standard in the UK, most working dogs stand between 12 -15 inches the withers and weighs between 14 and 20 pounds. The preferred size depends on the quarry. In the UK, all sizes are in use, depending on the terrain and quarry: in the UK, the most common quarry was the fox. In the eastern United States, mini dogs are preferred and 30 cm (12 in) tall and 5.5 kg (12 lb) is the preferred size for groundhogs (aka woodchucks) these have been bred from runts of the litter from the UK. However, somewhat larger dogs can be used in the American West when ground barn hunting larger raccoons and badgers.

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Lycaon
Feb 3 2012, 09:36 AM
patterdale terrier vs scottish wild cat

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Gregoire
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At parity 50/50
Edited by Gregoire, Feb 3 2012, 08:48 PM.
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populator135
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I'm pretty confident the cat would come out on top.
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Lycaon
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The cat has not real chance with the terrier, tho the cat possess claws, they would be better defense rather than offence. Furthermore the wildcat has never been recorded killing any similar sized carnivore, and taking down and killing a terrier is likely to much to ask for this feline.

The dog on the other hand has all the necessary tools to finish the cat, a much larger skull, bite force, gameness/actual willingness to fight; and on it's behalf this dog kills badger(European), fox, raccoon and at times feral/domestic felines. All of which are similar sized carnivores.
Hopefully there will be a reasonable reason to favor the feline, but at the moment the cat is definitely outgunned in almost every aspect.
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Bull and Terrier
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Patterdale will win quite comfortably. Look at this site, they take on twice as large coyotes. Normally two at the same time, but still very impressive. But he says one on one, they will get killed, but with no fear. He use the dogos and bull terriers to finish the coyotes of fast. Still a coyote is over twice the size of a SWC.

http://californiacatchers.com/index.asp?ID=22

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Vita
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A single patterdale can take on a fox larger than itself. This fight is in favor of the patterdale.
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Bull and Terrier
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Feb 4 2012, 05:14 AM
A single patterdale can take on a fox larger than itself. This fight is in favor of the patterdale.
Yess, and if you watch the link I posted, they don't only attack coyotes and wild boar without fear, but also take coons quite easily single handely. I also don't think the cat has the power to subdue it and get a killing bite, I also doubt the bite can kill the often larger dog with powerful neck and head.
Edited by Bull and Terrier, Feb 4 2012, 10:40 AM.
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Normally I vote for felines over canines since they have better weaponry and can grapple, but I think for once. I'll say the canine wins.
Edited by DinosaurMichael, Feb 4 2012, 10:45 AM.
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Taurus
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Patterdale terriers are no joke and they can tackle dangerous opponents single-handed something that a wildcat cannot do.
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Bull and Terrier
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Normally I do too, but only with bigger cats, no large dog has a chance against them at parity, but I believe no cat can take on apbt, sbt, ebt or ast in their normal weight range, no talking about overgrown mongrels or fat pets. The only one who can stand a chance in their weight range is a large eurasian lynx or CL. Patterdales are smaller, but I belive no cat their size can take them on.
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Holy crap. I wasn't going to post again, but this thread... Is actually reasonable! Most of the people I had thought fanboys have proven themselves not to be.

On topic, my vote goes to the Patterdale. The SWC is impressive but it does not have what it takes to bring down a working terrier like the Patterdale if they are the same weights.
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Lycaon
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And unlike this small feline, which need to perfectly placed throat bite; the patterdale will be causing serious damage in the majority of areas it bites.

Patterdales are certainly impressive dogs, their large heads and muscular bodies should give them a good advantage over the feline. The will to fight and experience with killing other carnivores should help immensely. It makes no sense that an animal accustomed to fleeing would randomly become a great fighter, I speak of the feline.

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Tazman
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The Patterdale will win in brutal and convincing fashion. We've been over this on the other forum but I believe the dog will be far too strong, aggressive, tough and efficient for the cat. Not only is it mentally far more suited for a one on one fight, but it has a far more damaging bite and a very strong body.
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Veli
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I have a hard time imagining one carnivore completely annihilating other similar sized carnivore, even if patterdale wins (which is most likely) it gonna get some wounding maybe only superficial but it still gonna get wounded.
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Large coons can open up the terrier pretty good. Go on some of the earthdog forums and some hunters say large specimens can be a good match for a patterdale. I doubt the wildcat could take on a raccoon of similar size.
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