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Steppe Rhinoceros v Tyrannosaurus rex
Topic Started: Feb 10 2012, 06:44 PM (33,463 Views)
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Steppe Rhinoceros - Elasmotherium caucasicum
Elasmotherium ("Thin Plate Beast") is an extinct genus of giant rhinoceros endemic to Eurasia during the Late Pliocene through the Pleistocene, documented from 2.6 mya to as late as 50,000 years ago, possibly later, in the Late Pleistocene, an approximate span of slightly less than 2.6 million years. Three species are recognised. The best known, E. sibiricum was the size of a mammoth and is thought to have borne a large, thick horn on its forehead which was used for defense, attracting mates, driving away competitors, sweeping snow from the grass in winter and digging for water and plant roots. Like all rhinoceroses, elasmotheres were herbivorous. Unlike any others, its high-crowned molars were ever-growing. Its legs were longer than those of other rhinos and were designed for galloping, giving it a horse-like gait. The Russian paleontologists of the 19th century who discovered and named the initial fossils were influenced by ancient legends of a huge unicorn roaming the steppes of Siberia. To date no evidence either contradicts or confirms the possibility that Elasmotherium survived into legendary times. The most reconstructed species is perhaps E. sibiricum by generations of scientists working at the Paleontological Museum in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia. The majority of the fossils fall or have fallen within their national jurisdiction. The dimensions and morphology of the various reconstructions vary considerably. They are for the most part estimating the gross details from the minutiae. However, they all agree on the general order of magnitude, that sibiricum was comparable to a Mammoth and was rather larger than the contemporary Woolly Rhinoceros. E. sibiricum had a measured shoulder height of approximately 2 metres (6.6 ft). To it, however, must be added the height of a massive hump anchored on the fin-like transverse processes extending from the top of the cervical vertebrae, a maximum of 53 centimetres (1.74 ft). The total height then was in excess of 253 centimetres (8.30 ft). The measured length of sibiricum (from a nearly complete skeleton found at Gaevskaya) is 4.5 metres (15 ft). Extrapolation from the greater size of caucasicum molars obtains a length of 5 metres (16 ft)—5.2 metres (17 ft) for caucasicum. According to Legendre's formula, E. sibiricum had a mass of over 4,000 kilograms (3.9 long tons; 4.4 short tons); E. caucasicum, 5,000 kilograms (4.9 long tons; 5.5 short tons). These weights place Elasmotherium in the "really huge" category of all Rhinocerotidae and therefore the animal was "strongly brachyopodial;" that is, they required feet of large contact area to prevent sinking into the soil. The feet were unguligrade, the front larger than the rear: purely tridactyl on Digits II-IV in the rear, but with an extra vestigial digit, I, in the front.

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Tyrannosaurus rex
Tyrannosaurus is a genus of coelurosaurian theropod dinosaur. The species Tyrannosaurus rex (rex meaning "king" in Latin), commonly abbreviated to T. rex, is a fixture in popular culture. It lived throughout what is now western North America, with a much wider range than other tyrannosaurids. Fossils are found in a variety of rock formations dating to the Maastrichtian age of the upper Cretaceous Period, 67 to 65.5 million years ago. It was among the last non-avian dinosaurs to exist before the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. Like other tyrannosaurids, Tyrannosaurus was a bipedal carnivore with a massive skull balanced by a long, heavy tail. Relative to the large and powerful hindlimbs, Tyrannosaurus forelimbs were small, though unusually powerful for their size, and bore two clawed digits. Although other theropods rivaled or exceeded Tyrannosaurus rex in size, it was the largest known tyrannosaurid and one of the largest known land predators. By far the largest carnivore in its environment, Tyrannosaurus rex may have been an apex predator, preying upon hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, although some experts have suggested it was primarily a scavenger. The debate over Tyrannosaurus as apex predator or scavenger is among the longest running in paleontology. Tyrannosaurus rex was one of the largest land carnivores of all time; the largest complete specimen, FMNH PR2081 ("Sue"), measured 12.8 metres (42 ft) long, and was 4.0 metres (13.1 ft) tall at the hips. Mass estimates have varied widely over the years, from more than 7.2 metric tons (7.9 short tons), to less than 4.5 metric tons (5.0 short tons), with most modern estimates ranging between 5.4 and 6.8 metric tons (6.0 and 7.5 short tons). Packard et al. (2009) tested dinosaur mass estimation procedures on elephants and concluded that dinosaur estimations are flawed and produce over-estimations; thus, the weight of Tyrannosaurus could be much less than usually estimated. Other estimations have concluded that the largest known Tyrannosaurus specimens had a weight exceeding 9 tonnes.

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Feb 10 2012, 01:07 AM
Tyrannosaurus Rex v Elasmotherium Caucasicum
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Feb 11 2012, 04:37 AM
Elasmotherium wins IMO
This isn't Triceratops, this is Elasmotherium. Elasmotherium was much more agile than Triceratops and it was much smarter.
Tyrannosaurus Rex doesn't have a size advantage, so why it would win?
And most members voted for the Giant Rhinoceros against a 13,000kg Spinosaurus, why can't the rhino win against a 8,000kg Tyrannosaurus?
Because spinosaurus wasn't as big as initially thought.
Edited by Vivyx, Feb 14 2016, 07:31 AM.
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T-Rex wins, but the rhino would be a deadly foe and would win if it stabbed at the belly.
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Jul 23 2012, 12:01 AM
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Feb 11 2012, 02:41 AM
T.Rex would not have tackled a Triceratops in a head to head and one on one.

Holtz believed a T.Rex would lose to a Triceratops more often than not--which should make sense, predators fail more than they succeed.

Not only that, advanced simulation engines like 'Be the Dinosaur' have shown us that it would be very difficult for a T.Rex to attack a Triceratops due to the latter's superior pivoting ability, as T.Rex would have gone for the flanks to avoid the head.

The Steppe Rhinoceros isn't quite as large as the Triceratops, but its horn is reconstructed as much larger than the Trike's horns. And it was likely more agile as well.

If the T.Rex comes in head to head, its neck or stomach is getting gored. There will be no avoiding this.

Elasmotherium should take the majority over any theropod.
You need to read this study: 7.Happ J (2008) An analysis of predator-prey behavior in a head-to-head encounter between Tyrannosaurus rex and Triceratops. In: Larson P, Carpenter K, editors. Tyrannosaurus rex: The Tyrant King. Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press. pp. 354–368.

This study reveals that Tyrannosaurus rex was intelligent enough to figure out that it would be beneficial to disable the primary stabbing weapons like horns of its target and powerful enough to chomp such weapons off.
Thanks for that Meg_man, really appreciate, really helpful !. :D

I'm downloading that book, hope i would succeed

Base on this, i can see T rex biting off the rhino horn and then Rexy can comfortably kill the helpless rhino

Imo, this is the most important post in this thread, it really help me to explain how could T rex hunt Trike without involving outmaneuvering (which seems to be quite difficult for T rex although T rex is the more agile animal)
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Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
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Dec 24 2012, 12:36 PM
Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!

And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
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Dec 24 2012, 02:21 PM
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Dec 24 2012, 12:36 PM
Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!

And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
Well i bet the foot claws were used for slicing meat. Tyrannosaurus's foot claws, are among the longest and sharpest claws in the dino world. :) :)
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Dec 25 2012, 03:03 PM
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Dec 24 2012, 12:36 PM
Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!

And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
Well i bet the foot claws were used for slicing meat. Tyrannosaurus's foot claws, are among the longest and sharpest claws in the dino world. :) :)
No they weren't, stop making crap up
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Dec 24 2012, 12:36 PM
Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!

And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
Well i bet the foot claws were used for slicing meat. Tyrannosaurus's foot claws, are among the longest and sharpest claws in the dino world. :) :)
No they weren't, stop making crap up

lol Tell you what brolyeuphyfusion, you got me in a good mood lol . After all those facepalm pics you've been sending me, and your comments saying you disagree with me. I would like you to explain to me your whole story of how spino would win, even if I disagree with you. Go ahead and act smart for me please. ;)
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Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!<br /><br />And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed<br /><br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
Well i bet the foot claws were used for slicing meat. Tyrannosaurus's foot claws, are among the longest and sharpest claws in the dino world. :) :)
No they weren't, stop making crap up
lol Tell you what brolyeuphyfusion, you got me in a good mood lol . After all those facepalm pics you've been sending me, and your comments saying you disagree with me. I would like you to explain to me your whole story of how spino would win, even if I disagree with you. Go ahead and act smart for me please. ;)
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Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!

And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
Well i bet the foot claws were used for slicing meat. Tyrannosaurus's foot claws, are among the longest and sharpest claws in the dino world. :) :)
No they weren't, stop making crap up

lol Tell you what brolyeuphyfusion, you got me in a good mood lol . After all those facepalm pics you've been sending me, and your comments saying you disagree with me. I would like you to explain to me your whole story of how spino would win, even if I disagree with you. Go ahead and act smart for me please. ;)
First, how about you learn to accept the fact that Tyrannosaurus is not a dinosaurian version of superman? Then I can explain...
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I don't think tyrannosaurus is like superman. I just think it is a powerful carnivore.
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Nov 7 2012, 05:52 AM
People say this rhino is harder to kill than Triceratops
yeah that's totally wrong, triceratops is much bigger and deadlier than elasmotherium
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Dec 27 2012, 09:43 AM
I don't think tyrannosaurus is like superman. I just think it is a powerful carnivore.
It has obvious limitations though and is surpassed by a few other theropods and a lot of sauropods in terms of strength
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Yes it was. T-rex's tail was used as a weapon other than just balancing. The eagle claw part, i meant that T-rex has 3 claws, while an eagle has 4. T-rex can use those claws to slash meat as well. To me, Tyrannosaurus is like a huge wingless bird of prey, with no beak. It has instead, a massive skull with teeth as long a footlong subway sandwiches. It was probably a confident carnivore.
Tyrannosaurus claws are not made for slashing meat, and again, most of the tooth length was root!

And show evidence or proof that Tyrannosaurus tail was used as a weapon, Tyrannosaurus tail was for balance, and speed


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115131127.htm
Well i bet the foot claws were used for slicing meat. Tyrannosaurus's foot claws, are among the longest and sharpest claws in the dino world. :) :)
No they weren't, stop making crap up

lol Tell you what brolyeuphyfusion, you got me in a good mood lol . After all those facepalm pics you've been sending me, and your comments saying you disagree with me. I would like you to explain to me your whole story of how spino would win, even if I disagree with you. Go ahead and act smart for me please. ;)
First, how about you learn to accept the fact that Tyrannosaurus is not a dinosaurian version of superman? Then I can explain...
Arre pues!
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