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| Taipan | Feb 11 2012, 07:29 PM Post #1 |
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Bengal Tiger - Panthera tigris tigris The Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) is a tiger subspecies native to the Indian subcontinent that in 2010 has been classified as endangered by IUCN. The total population is estimated at fewer than 2,500 individuals with a decreasing trend, and none of the Tiger Conservation Landscapes within the Bengal tiger's range is large enough to support an effective population size of 250 adult individuals. The Bengal tiger is the most numerous tiger subspecies with populations estimated at 1,520–1,909 in India, 440 in Bangladesh, 124–229 in Nepal and 67–81 in Bhutan. Bengal is traditionally fixed as the typical locality for the binomial Panthera tigris, to which the British taxonomist Reginald Innes Pocock subordinated the Bengal tiger in 1929 under the trinomial Panthera tigris tigris.[Bengal Tigers are fully grown at 2-3 years of age. Male reach weights of 200-230 kilograms and up to three metres in length. The females are 130-170 kilograms and up to 2.5 meters long. They have stripes all over their body. Their stripes are like fingerprints. No two are the same. The stripes are not only in the tigers fur, but are a pigmentation of the skin. They have a white spot on the back of their ears,whick looks like eyes. ![]() Gaur - Bos gaurus The gaur (Bos gaurus), also called Indian bison, is a large bovine native to South Asia and Southeast Asia. The gaur has a high convex ridge on the forehead between the horns, which bends forward, causing a deep hollow in the profile of the upper part of the head. There is a prominent ridge on the back. The ears are very large; the tail only just reaches the hocks, and in old bulls the hair becomes very thin on the back. In colour, the adult male gaur is dark brown, approaching black in very old individuals; the upper part of the head, from above the eyes to the nape of the neck, is, however, ashy gray, or occasionally dirty white; the muzzle is pale coloured, and the lower part of the legs are pure white or tan. The cows and young bulls are paler, and in some instances have a rufous tinge, which is most marked in individuals inhabiting dry and open districts. The gaur is an extremely large mammal. It has a head-and-body length of 250 to 330 cm (8.2 to 10.8 ft) with a 70 to 105 cm (28 to 41 in) long tail, and is 165 to 220 cm (5.41 to 7.2 ft) high at the shoulder. The average weight is 650 to 1,000 kg (1,400 to 2,200 lb), with an occasional large bull weighing up to 1,500 kg (3,300 lb). Males are about one-fourth larger and heavier than females. ![]() _____________________________________________________________________________
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| paul cooper | Oct 2 2017, 06:24 PM Post #76 |
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You take a rare ass incident where a domestic cow killed an old and god knows what condition the tiger was in, tiger, And state it as something that happens in general, An use it as a decisive account. Wow nice job showing your bias and hate 👏 That account doesnt show anything, It isnt a decisive thing in a fight. If any animal hits the tiger on the wrong spot on the body, Its over. Most likely the cow did just that, Because the cow didnt kill the tiger, Only injured it where the tiger can no longer walk. So a rare and undecisive account. Lol, Raja the tiger, Enormous tiger, kills a guar 3 times bigger than itself. That gaur is fully grown buddy, Takes a hater not to see that. Those gaur are bigger then the tiger. Scavenging? Lol pass the joint bro what are you smoking over there?.. how in the world does sunquist know from faeces if the food was scavenged or predated.. lol. I want to see this. Not sure what you are saying with the tigers swim calorie thing lol. Edited by paul cooper, Oct 2 2017, 06:33 PM.
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| Kazanshin | Oct 2 2017, 07:01 PM Post #77 |
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Those are usually by ambush. Face to face, there's no doubt the gaur will win more often than not. |
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| Trish | Oct 3 2017, 01:11 AM Post #78 |
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Gaur VS Bengal Tiger- The Gaur would win. Gaurs are large and powerful bovines, and the biggest bovine of them all. Gaurs normally weigh over a ton(2,200 pounds), and as a matter of fact according to some books I have at home, these titans could weigh more than 3,000 pounds, on rare occasions. For example one book I have at home called Wild Animals Of The World, mentions a story about a bull gaur that was shot and killed, in India weighed in at a remarkable 3'285 pounds. However a gaur reaching these sizes would be very unusual. But lets talk about the Bengal Tiger now, these felines are extremely capable and impressive solo predators that could outweigh a lion and from what I've read in the past they could be faster as well. It states in many of the books I have that a Bengal Tiger could ambush and kill very large animals like Water Buffalo and Gaur. Some of them talk about Tigers killing Indian rhinos and elephants as well. While this one book I agree with more states that these animals could only fall prey under reasonable circumstances,(health, age, injury.), another book I have states that a Bengal Tiger killed an adult elephant, by inflicting enough damage to it. They called this case death by a thousand cuts or something like that. But again I would need evidence to believe that a tiger actually killed an adult elephant. To focus on the match itself, a Bengal Tiger likely wouldn't fair well in a fight with a gaur as the herbivore would be too large and powerful to take on. If the tiger decides to attack such a large animal its best bet would be to ambush the gaur. To add to this there was a story on Wikipedia, the last time I checked about gaur killing a tiger by ramming one against a tree, and that would show the dangers the tiger would be taking while attacking this large bovine. While I do believe that a Bengal tiger could possibly defeat a gaur in a fight, because of its ability to leap on the herbivores back and apply a throat bite, I would strongly stick with the gaur to win. Gaur Wins |
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| Taiwan | Nov 8 2017, 01:30 AM Post #79 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMv9TtEjVRg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDjdj228CE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xasCwSaVvSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR_ZEuxjTv0 Nice. I'd say the tiger, but the Gaur would probably take it every so often, if not, it would heavily damage or drive away the black striped vigilante. I feel African Cape Buffalo, Iberian Spanish fighting bull, or Black Rhino/(Any rhino smaller than a white) or bison/ox would be a far more interesting thread. Please link one of these if there are any, I'm pretty new to this site.
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| Meancat | Nov 18 2017, 02:09 PM Post #80 |
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Black rhino vs Bengal tiger would be a mismatch, black rhinos have much tougher skin and have better weaponry than any bovid. |
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| Taipan | Nov 18 2017, 03:57 PM Post #81 |
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I'll link them all! 1. Bengal Tiger v Iberian (Spanish) Fighting Bull 2. Bengal Tiger v Cape Buffalo 3. Bengal Tiger v Sumatran Rhinoceros |
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| Ursus 21 | Mar 25 2018, 05:01 PM Post #82 |
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Mismatch in favour of the gaur.![]() Gaur - The tiger killer As they are the heaviest, and most powerful of all wild cattle, they hold a special place as the apex bovine, and their ecological role provides an important food source for only one large apex predator which is known to have killed a healthy adult – that being a tiger. Even then, there are more cases of tigers being killed by Gaurs, than Gaurs being killed by tigers. The males of the species are extremely muscular, and powerful – able to generate enough power to be deadly to predators, humans, and other domestic cattle that are unfortunate enough to provoke them. Source: Gaur - The tiger killer NNTR’s grand old tigress dies in fight with gaur ![]() Also called T2, Mai was 17 and a deep gash on her hind side of the body was believed to have been caused by a fight with a gaur. She was found by the officials as well as tourists near the Nagzira Lake early morning. She was apparently writhing in pain and gave up fight for life around 3 pm, sources said. A post-mortem was conducted and Mai was consigned to flames later in the evening. Found in Nagzira since 2000, Mai has virtually sustained the tiger glory of NNTR for about 17 years, giving as many as 11 cubs to the reserve. Her last two cubs Jay and Veeru were born in 2011 and after remaining with her till 2013, they had separated from her. Source: Tigress killed by bison Tiger probably killed by gaur ![]() The carcass of a four-year-old tiger was found in Madhya Pradesh’s Satpura reserve on Saturday, making it the 12th feline death in the state this year. The field staff spotted the carcass in the core of the reserve, Ashok Mishra, joint director Satpura Tiger Reserve told HT. The post mortem showed the tiger had suffered external and internal injuries. The tiger probably died after having a fight with another Gaur or it died fighting with another tiger,” he said. In a similar incident, in the third week of January this year, a buffalo killed a tiger cub in the buffer zone of Bandhavgarh Tiger Reserve. Source: Tiger probably killed by bison Gaur kills male tiger in a fair fight Source: Tiger killed by bison in a fair fight Gaur who was blind in one eye and elderly beat a tiger This is Odin the gaur, he is very old and weighs in at 1,000 kg (2,200 lb): ![]() He is blind in one eye and past his prime years: He must be around 12 to 13 years old now, pretty old for a Gaur out in the wild and though he has lost much of his weight, he is still a formidable animal. I have been seeing him for the last 5 years, he’d come down during the evenings, graze by the edge of the watering hole before proceeding to drink his fill, he’d then look towards the cottages, hold his gaze for a while before moving back into the jungle. He was in his prime the first time I saw him, it was such a majestic animal with rippling muscles and an imposing gait. During my sojourns into the forest, I have seen him multiple times, grazing or resting under a tree. Most of the Gaurs would turn and bolt if they see a human approach, but not Odin, he would hold his ground knowing well that he had nothing to fear from a puny human. We both would look at each other, and we would keep a respectful distance before moving on. Gaurs are not very vocal animals, that is especially true in the evenings. So when I heard the distress-filled bellow coming from the edge of the forest at 8 in the night, I knew instinctively that something was wrong. I had seen Odin grazing in the grassland in the evening, and though he was past his prime, he was still a formidable opponent for any of the carnivores. A leopard wouldn’t dare attack a male Gaur, the wild dogs would be resting by this time and the only animal brave and strong enough to take on a mature Gaur is the Tiger. Yesterday night we had heard the Tiger call from close to the farm and during the early morning trek we saw huge pugmarks of the resident male Tiger, could it be that Odin had finally met his match? Then we heard the grunts of the Tiger mixed with the bellow of the Gaur, my fear was confirmed, it was clear that the battle was on. By the time I took the night-vision camera and raced to the watchtower, a few of our resident guests who had also heard the commotion were already there. We used the torch to see if we could see anything in the night. Apart from the alarmed spotted deer, we couldn’t see anything in the grassland, but we could still hear the battle-royale from the edge of the forest. At times the grunts would turn into thunderous roars, so it was clear that the Tiger had failed to deliver the killing blow – Tigers kill their prey by breaking the neck. Now that Odin knew that the threat was upon him, it was clear that he’d be wary of another attack to the neck and as Gaur’s usually do when attacked, he himself went into the attack mode. We could hear dry bamboo getting trampled under his weight as he was having a go at the Tiger using his massive horns. The Tiger had lost the surprise element as Odin knew that the attack was on, but the Tiger was still stronger, in his prime and the bull Gaur bull had just one eye. It was too much of a handicap to give away – surely, there was only one outcome to the end of this fight. After 10 minutes or so, the noise died out as quickly as it had started – only 2 things could have happened; Odin was dead or Odin, true to his name had outwitted the Tiger. If it was the latter, we knew that he’d come out into the grasslands once again because most of the animals feel safe close to human settlements. That is why you see spotted deer near human settlements inside the forest. We waited with baited breath, hoping to see a weary Odin limp back towards the watering hole. But there was no sign of Odin, perhaps it was the end of the majestic, bull Gaur that roamed the Thirunelly forests. Roam he would no more. After talking to the amazed guests, and telling them about what would have happened, I retired to my room. I was feeling dejected about Odin’s plight – but that is nature’s way, survival of the fittest. Odin was probably no match for the big resident male. (Boy.. how wrong was I!)I knew I wouldn’t sleep well that night, and by day-break I was up and ready with my camera and my trekking kit, and thankfully it was not raining. So at first light I headed out into the forest to see first-hand what had happened during the night. I reached the edge of the forest and in no time I could see where the battle had taken place. There were pools of blood, but there was no sign of Odin or the Cat. I scoured around to see if there was a drag mark, the Tiger, if it had made the kill would have dragged the Gaur deeper into the jungle. Odin was close to 1000kg, so he was far too heavy for a Tiger to lift, so it’d have left a distinct drag mark on the ground. I went around the area hoping that I wouldn’t see the mark and I was relieved when I didn’t. I could see the ground was trampled, large bamboo clumps were broken like twigs, there were pugmarks and hoofmarks everywhere – it was clear that both the beasts had not backed out of the fight and they both had a real go at each other. ![]() There was blood everywhere, it was a titanic battle between the Tiger and the Gaur. I decided to see where the animals had gone and it was not hard to find the two distinct trails, one of the Tiger and then of Odin and to my dismay, I could see that Odin had bled profusely as he moved deeper into the jungle. I kept following the track for close to 500 meters and then my heart sank when I saw the pugmark of the Tiger superimposed on Odin’s hoof mark, the Tiger had come back and had started trailing Odin once again.I had to be extra careful now as I was tracking an injured bull Gaur who wouldn’t like my approach, worse still, The Tiger could have killed the Gaur at night and perhaps he was guarding the kill and he wouldn’t take kindly to my approach either. I inched forward, stopping and listening for the sounds that would give away the presence of either of these animals. The blood trail was easy to follow and soon I reached a swamp where Odin had rested, though there were chunks of clotted blood on the ground, but it looked as though Odin was not as severely injured as I had earlier believed. The Tiger had also laid down perhaps 50 feet away from Odin, and they both had again gotten up and walked deeper into the jungle. I kept after them and wanted to know how it had ended. Soon I noticed that Odin had decided that he’d take a U-turn and come towards the farm once again! The Tiger had followed him as well. By this time I would have covered close to 2 kms and with every passing step I could see that the blood trail was getting thinner and thinner, which was a good sign! We crossed some rivulets on the way and soon I passed the mota-teak tree (the big-teak tree) which is just a few hundred meters from the farm. Where was Odin heading, I wondered as I kept following the track and then I realized that it was just Odin’s track the I was following, the Tiger had stopped the chase and I couldn’t see the Tiger’s pug mark anymore. Retracing a few paces, I could see that the Tiger had taken a forest path which went deeper into the jungle, perhaps he thought that he had no chance of surprising Odin again that night. I continued on hoping to see Odin ahead of me and just as I broke cover and entered the grassland inside our farm, I could see the familiar figure, that of Odin, standing by the edge of the grassland grazing as though nothing had happened! I stood there looking at the old warrior, admiring his courage and will to live, he outsmarted and outfought the big male Tiger, the wily old Odin! ![]() ![]() Source: Odin the bison beats tiger Tiger gored to death by a gaur It’s a cow… it’s a battle-tank… it’s Supercow! It has powers other cows don’t, and is from a hidden world beginning with ‘K’. Presenting the world’s largest, strongest specimen of wild cattle, the superhero of Kabini, the ‘Gaur’! Clad in all black, with white stockings and a black dewlap-cape hanging between his forelegs, and a wicked pair of horns seeming almost an afterthought on his massive head, this is one mean dude you don’t want to mess with. Weighing in at a humungous 1000kg, and with the kind of musculature that’d make those hunks at the WWF look to alternate careers (babysitting and horticulture are the buzzwords, we’ve heard), this mean machine has the local bad boys looking fearfully over their tawny shoulders. While Gaurs have no natural enemies (who’d want to wrestle with 1000 kg of pure muscle and sinew?), nature isn’t responsible for the stupidity of those who don’t know better. There have been instances of macho predators being cut to size, with an incident of a tiger having been gored to death by a Gaur. It doesn’t always have to be physical though, and if the Gaur can avoid a battle through intimidation, he will. In Nagarhole, recently, a herd of Gaur walked as a menacing phalanx towards a stalking tiger, forcing him to turn tail. This lesson in intimidation is learnt and honed during face-offs between adult males vying for female attention; they rarely fight, but ritually strut their stuff, taking small, measured steps towards each other, whilst showing off their muscular development (we’ve always known it… size does matter… sigh!), till one or the other bends the knee. As a spectator at this Mr. Kabini contest, you may be tempted to whistle loudly, but our Gaur can whistle back, and be heard a mile away, to boot. Now, is that superhero stuff, or what? Source: Gaur - Inoformation Two separate cases of tigers being killed by gaur Due to their formidable size and power, the gaur has few natural enemies. Saltwater Crocodiles, leopards, and dhole packs occasionally attack unguarded calves or unhealthy animals, but only the tiger has been reported to kill a full-grown adult. One of the largest bull gaur seen by George Schaller during the year 1964 in Kanha national park was killed by a tiger[3]. On the other hand, there are several cases of tigers being killed by gaur. In one instance, a tiger was repeatedly gored and trampled to death by a gaur during a prolonged battle. In another case, a large male tiger carcass was found beside a small broken tree in Nagarahole national park, being fatally struck against the tree by a large bull gaur a few days earlier. When confronted by a tiger, the adult members of a gaur herd often form a circle surrounding the vulnerable young and calves, shielding them from the big cat. A herd of gaur in Malaysia encircled a calf killed by a tiger and prevented it from approaching the carcass; while in Nagarahole, upon sensing a stalking tiger, a herd of gaur walked as a menacing phalanx towards it, forcing the tiger to retreat and abandon the hunt. Gaur are not as aggressive toward humans as Wild Asian Water Buffaloes. Source: Gaur - Ecology and behaviour Bull gaur killed two tigers at once in a fair fight Source: Two tigers killed by a gaur in a fight Gaur chases away tiger Tiger runs away from charging gaur Tiger flees when confronted by a gaur This post was not intended to favour the gaur, nor are these accounts selective by any means. I am not surprised with my findings on this hypothetical. I am sure that a bull gaur is able to fend off an attacking tiger on the vast majority of occasions, being as the latter tends to have very low success rates when hunting such large prey. It is by stealth that a tiger can kill a bull gaur. It is when they are quietly feeding, does the tiger under the cover of long grass stealthily creep close and seize his prey from the back, forcing it to the ground or severing its leg tendons and proceeds to bite the neck, does such powerful prey succumb. But in an equal combat, being that the bull gaur is four times as massive and much more powerful than the tiger, with the added defence of long horns with sharp tips that when wielded appropriately can toss or gore an adversary, he would swiftly defeat the feline opponent. The tiger is, in truth, somewhat overrated in his capabilities. Judging from the polls of these threads, many people seem to believe that tigers are not only capable, but likely to defeat bull gaur or Asiatic buffalo in face-to-face altercations. People who believe that a tiger would overcome an adversary four times its size and strength in a fair fight are clearly overestimating the capabilities of this cat. To make the outcome of this scenario even more obvious, I have presented a size comparison of the two combatants: To reiterate, with my findings in-tact, this face off is clearly a large mismatch in favour of the gaur. Edited by Ursus 21, May 9 2018, 09:05 PM.
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