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Topic Started: Jan 7 2012, 01:17 AM (507,289 Views)
coherentsheaf
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Mack
Mar 28 2012, 09:08 AM
The mousasaur is way out of proportain. Firstly the werent that long and secondly they were much thinner then that. Thery skeleton shows that they were much thinner then that
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I tookthe length for Mosasaurus hoffmanni from Lingham-Solair:

"...an enormous almost complete dentary of
Mosasaurus hoffmanni, NHMM 009002 (Meijer 1983,
figure 3) measuring 900 mm (complete estimate =
1000 mm), suggests an even greater total size. The
entire lower jaw is reliably estimated at 1600 mm.
Using a 1: 10 head to body ratio (see Russell 1967, p.
210 for M. maximus) the length of the whole animal is
estimated at 17.6 m, making it the largest marine
reptile known. Huge size in M. hoffmanni is also
indicated by isolated specimens of an enormous
quadrate NHMM 603092 and humerus TSMHN
11252 (figure 9i,j)."


If you have grounds to contest this estimate, please post them.

It is true that until very recently Mosasaurs have been reconstructed as very elongated anguilliform swimmers,however recent discoveries have called this conception into question:

"The preserved body outline, placement of internal organs and anterior migration of the rib-cage suggest a grossly whale/shark-like body."
(Lindgren in a comment to Henry, on PlosOne)

The plosone article also containe this reconstruction:
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It depicts the more primitive Platecarpus, but I do not see any grounds to think that the more advanced Mosasaurus would differ very much in body shape especially since its vertebrae show functional adaptations similar to platecarpus.

Sources:
Lingham-Soliar, (1995). "Mosasaurus hoffmanni (Mosasauridae),
Anatomy and Functional Morphology of the Largest Marine Reptile known"


Lindgren et al. (2010). "Convergent Evolution in Aquatic Tetrapods: Insights from an Exceptional Fossil Mosasaur"

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I'm agree with coherentsheaf
this is hainosaurus bernadi that had been downsized by J Lindgren in "The first record of Hainosaurus (Reptilia: Mosasauridae) from Sweden"

"...column indicates an animal with a total skeletal length of about12.2 m, not 17 m, as estimated by Russell (1967)"

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coherentsheaf
Mar 28 2012, 07:50 PM
I tookthe length for Mosasaurus hoffmanni from Lingham-Solair:

"...an enormous almost complete dentary of
Mosasaurus hoffmanni, NHMM 009002 (Meijer 1983,
figure 3) measuring 900 mm (complete estimate =
1000 mm), suggests an even greater total size. The
entire lower jaw is reliably estimated at 1600 mm.
Using a 1: 10 head to body ratio (see Russell 1967, p.
210 for M. maximus) the length of the whole animal is
estimated at 17.6 m, making it the largest marine
reptile known. Huge size in M. hoffmanni is also
indicated by isolated specimens of an enormous
quadrate NHMM 603092 and humerus TSMHN
11252 (figure 9i,j)."


If you have grounds to contest this estimate, please post them.

It is true that until very recently Mosasaurs have been reconstructed as very elongated anguilliform swimmers,however recent discoveries have called this conception into question:

"The preserved body outline, placement of internal organs and anterior migration of the rib-cage suggest a grossly whale/shark-like body."
(Lindgren in a comment to Henry, on PlosOne)

The plosone article also containe this reconstruction:
Posted Image

It depicts the more primitive Platecarpus, but I do not see any grounds to think that the more advanced Mosasaurus would differ very much in body shape especially since its vertebrae show functional adaptations similar to platecarpus.

Sources:
Lingham-Soliar, (1995). "Mosasaurus hoffmanni (Mosasauridae),
Anatomy and Functional Morphology of the Largest Marine Reptile known"


Lindgren et al. (2010). "Convergent Evolution in Aquatic Tetrapods: Insights from an Exceptional Fossil Mosasaur"

Well if Mosasaurus hoffmanni was that large and if it was similary-shaped like the older ichthyosaurus, it was certainly more then I knowed.
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Hm, platecarpus was not an ichthyosaur but also a mosasaur, but I think we should stop this discussion, since this thread is not meant for it and the initial point has been discussed.
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I probably wan´t clear enough in my post. What I meant that the bodies of mosasaurus, based on the new reconstruction of Platecarpus body is simialr to that of Ichthyosaurus.
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mostly hunting dogs and some fillers
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Billfishes: Xiphiidae & Istiophoridae. Close relatives of the mackerel family, these fishes are among the fastest in the world. Some, such as the magnificent blue marlin, are gigantic oceanic predators that perform trans-ocean migrations, feeding on other pelagic organisms, including squids, tuna-like fish and even smaller sharks and other billfishes. Others, like the oriental sailfish, may enter neritic zones seasonally, feeding on coastal species such as herrings, anchovies, jacks etc. The deep-diving swordfish possesses many differences from the marlins. Most of them are important food and game fish.

Note that blue marlin from the indo-pacific and the atlantic region is treated as a single specie belong to different subspecies, and the "hatchet marlin" (possibly round-scale marlin in its fully grown form) is not illustrated in this picture.
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^ Is that Titanoboa based on how large it possibly could get, i.e it´s maximum size? To me the giant constrictor looks to even excedd 2 metric tons in weight.
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I do not know how acurate the model in question is.
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Machairodus giganteus & Domestic Cat

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I love your pic, Taipan.
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18 long Spinosaurus
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