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Topic Started: Jan 7 2012, 01:17 AM (507,271 Views)
theropod
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If it´s true, that´s great news!
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JaM
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Jun 30 2012, 06:30 AM

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I wonder if the design of the oliphaunt in the LOTR films was inspired by that creature?
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SameerPrehistorica
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Deinotherium

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Edited by SameerPrehistorica, May 22 2013, 01:41 PM.
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Kurtz
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130 pounds cougar:
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http://blog.newsok.com/outdoors/2012/03/22/minco-mountain-lion-was-from-the-black-hills/mincos-mountain-lion/
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JaM
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SameerPrehistorica, that deinotherium is pretty cool. It's an overlooked giant mammal, but it seems just as big as the other "largest terrestrial mammals".
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I think it that's because the belief in Paraceratherium being 5.5m tall held for so long as well as mammoths as big as 4.9+ that to think a 4.5m deinotherium belongs there didn't cross the mind of much people, but with paraceratheirum being only 4.8 and of gracile build and the largest mammoth being "only" 4.5m. there's really no excuse to exclude it anymore.

I wish someone would make another documentary like walking with beasts, and featured deinotherium much more, it really is an impressive animal.
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Jul 5 2012, 06:01 AM
I think it that's because the belief in Paraceratherium being 5.5m tall held for so long as well as mammoths as big as 4.9+ that to think a 4.5m deinotherium belongs there didn't cross the mind of much people, but with paraceratheirum being only 4.8 and of gracile build and the largest mammoth being "only" 4.5m. there's really no excuse to exclude it anymore.

I wish someone would make another documentary like walking with beasts, and featured deinotherium much more, it really is an impressive animal.
Agreed! Much too unknown imo
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Assuming the Barbour's cat (Babourofelis fricki) is 1.10 m at the shoulder (as much as a modern lion) and weights 370 kg on average, as per its biography on this site, here are some images I put together in paint.

vs American Lion (260 kg average weight, 1.20 m shoulder) and Smilodon populator (290 kg, 1.20 m)
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vs African Lion (200 kg, 1.10 m) and Bengal Tiger (210 kg, 1.00 m)
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Edited by Taipan, Jul 7 2012, 10:24 PM.
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Interesting try, but way it could've weighed that much at that height
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keyser.soze
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Barbourofelis fricki was likely much heavier than any extant cat. Extinct animals are often described as "lion-sized" or something similar based off of limb or body lengths, but robustly built animals like Barbourofelis weigh much more given the same limb or body lengths.

Below are humerus lengths and widths of Barbourofelis loverum, a smaller relative of Barbourofelis fricki, and living lions. The lion sample is based off of a roughly equal amount of males and females while the Barbourofelis loverum sample is based off a mix of males and females (its difficult to determine the sex of extinct species with limited remains available). Barbourofelis's humerus averages 270.5 mm x 37.7 mm (anterioposterior diameter at midshaft) while the extant lion averages 285.6 mm x 36.5 mm. Given that limb width is a better estimate of body mass, this indicates that Brbourfelis loverum weighed more than extant lions (assuming the samples are of similar types of individuals).


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Barbourofelis fricki was much larger than Barbourofelis loverum. The following study by Francois Therrien on mandiable or lower jaw strength gives lower jaw dimensions of various species.

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Barbourofelis fricki's lower jaw is 24.31 cm while Barbouofelis loverum's lower jaw is 17.6 cm. If we assume lower jaw length scales to body mass like most body dimensions, we can take the cube of the size difference between the two species to roughly estimate Barbourofelis fricki's weight. Barbouofelis fricki's lower jaw is 1.38 (24.31/17.6) times the size of Barbourofelis loverum's lower jaw, and it should weigh 2.64 [(1.38)^3] times as much as Barbourofelis loverum. If we assume Barbourofelis loverum weighs roughly the same as the the average of male and female lions (say 340 lbs.), then Barbourofelis fricki would weigh 898 lbs. (2.64*340 lbs.). Alternatively, we can do the same calculation relative to Smilodon populator from the same chart. Barbourofelis fricki's lower jaw is 1.09 times larger than Smilodon populator's lower jaw, which equaltes to it weighing 1.3 times as much. The average weight from Per Christiansen's body mass estimates for Smilodon populator are 290 KG or 638 lbs. If we multiply 1.3 times 638 lbs. Barbourofelis fricki's body mass is 829 lbs.

Either way Barbourofelis looks like it was a huge animal.
Edited by keyser.soze, Jul 8 2012, 12:41 AM.
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Megafelis Fatalis
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The skull is ~34cm long
Doesn't look like a 350kg animal IMO
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keyser.soze
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Smilodon, with a smaller skull please.
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keyser.soze
Jul 8 2012, 01:32 AM
Ok, do a Smilodon populator with a smaller skull.
Smilodon Populator with a ~ 32cm long skull
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Smilodon Fatalis with a ~ 32-33cm long skull
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In the First Picture, the Smilodon would be ~ 105cm or ~ 110cm tall at the shoulder. (Because the picture isn't in a full side view AND The most important thing, is the legs aren't straight)
In the Second picture, Smilodon would be ~ 105cm tall at the shoulder (The legs aren't completely straight)
When the legs are straight it should look like this:
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Size comparison between Megatherium and Brontomerus.

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and

Size comparison between Utahraptor and Hippopotamus.

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Both done by Prehistoric Cat.
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Megafelis Fatalis
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Thanx DinosaurMichael !!
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