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| Lion Coalition of 3 Lions v Black Rhinoceros | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 18 2012, 08:04 PM (14,286 Views) | |
| Taipan | Feb 18 2012, 08:04 PM Post #1 |
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Lion Coalition of 3 Lions - Panthera leo The lion (Panthera leo) is one of the four big cats in the genus Panthera, and a member of the family Felidae. With some males exceeding 250 kg (550 lb) in weight, it is the second-largest living cat after the tiger. Wild lions currently exist in Sub-Saharan Africa and in Asia with an endangered remnant population in Gir Forest National Park in India, having disappeared from North Africa and Southwest Asia in historic times. Until the late Pleistocene, about 10,000 years ago, the lion was the most widespread large land mammal after humans. They were found in most of Africa, across Eurasia from western Europe to India, and in the Americas from the Yukon to Peru. The lion is a vulnerable species, having seen a possibly irreversible population decline of thirty to fifty percent over the past two decades in its African range. The African lion is a very large cat, with males weighing between 330 and 550 pounds and females weighing between 260 and 400 pounds. It is 8 to 10 feet long, not including the tail. Its most famous feature is its mane, which only male lions have. The mane is a yellow color when the lion is young and darkens with age. Eventually, the mane will be dark brown. The body of the African lion is well suited for hunting. It is very muscular, with back legs designed for pouncing and front legs made for grabbing and knocking down prey. It also has very strong jaws that enable it to eat the large prey that it hunts. ![]() Black Rhinoceros - Diceros bicornis An adult Black Rhinoceros stands 140–170 cm (57.9–63 inches) high at the shoulder and is 3.3-3.6 m (10.8–11.8 feet) in length. An adult weighs from 800 to 1364 kg (1,760 to 3,000 lb), but sometimes grows up to 1818 kg (4,000 lb), The females are smaller than the males. Two horns on the skull are made of keratin with the larger front horn typically 50 cm long, exceptionally up to 140 cm. The longest known horn measured nearly 5 feet in length. Sometimes, a third smaller horn may develop. These horns are used for defense, intimidation, and digging up roots and breaking branches during feeding. Skin color depends more on local soil conditions and the rhinoceros' wallowing behavior than anything else, so many black rhinos are typically not truly black in color. The Black Rhino is much smaller than the White Rhino, and has a long, pointed, and prehensile upper lip, which it uses to grasp leaves and twigs when feeding. White Rhinoceros have square lips used for eating grass. The Black Rhinoceros can also be recognized from the White Rhinoceros by its smaller skull and ears. Black Rhinoceros also do not have a distinguishing shoulder hump like the White Rhinoceros. ![]() _______________________________________________________________________
I made it three if that's OK Edited by Taipan, Oct 22 2012, 05:08 PM.
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| Dynasty Warrior | Dec 11 2013, 05:23 AM Post #31 |
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Heterotrophic Organism
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We dont usually make up matchups featuring multiples of one species unless they normally exhibit cooperative behaviour. Tigers dont, although there is a rare case of a rhino killed by a tiger and her cubs. Even though the Rhino is favoured here, the lions normally do cooperatively hunt.[/quote]Thanks Taipan, I'd give this too the black rhinoceros as it is too big and dangerous for the lion to take on. |
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| Molosser | Dec 11 2013, 06:21 AM Post #32 |
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Ursids, Canids, and amphycionids
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The lions may be able to dodge most of the rhino's attacks but they will be in serious trouble if they try to attack it, the rhino is too strong and big, plus that horn is a devastating weapon, I vote rhino 8/10 |
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| TheUndertaker45 | Mar 3 2014, 10:46 PM Post #33 |
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Rhino 9/10. It's too powerful and his horn can tear one lion apart. And besides i changed my mind,a hippo can easily defeat 3 male lions. |
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| 1.0reef | Mar 4 2014, 01:05 AM Post #34 |
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JMO pretty easy win for the rhino, way larger, thick hide, surprising speed, and it's horn. |
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| Superpredator | Mar 4 2014, 05:02 PM Post #35 |
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Rhino takes this. The horn is just too devastating and the skin is too thick for the lions to get through before they are charged. Rhino 8.5/10 |
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| The All-seeing Night | Mar 4 2014, 05:03 PM Post #36 |
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You are without honor
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This a pretty easy victory for the rhino, its just too massive. |
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| Hatzegopteryx | Mar 5 2014, 09:49 AM Post #37 |
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The Rhinoceros will eventually win, the Lions are just too small to kill it before they get humiliated. |
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| Ausar | Mar 5 2014, 10:04 AM Post #38 |
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Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
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I think I recall reading in the 30 lions vs. white rhino thread that rhinos are hardly, if ever hunted successfully (if ever) by lions. Diceros bicornis should win. Edited by Ausar, Mar 5 2014, 10:08 AM.
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| Deleted User | Sep 21 2014, 07:37 PM Post #39 |
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The Rhino win IMO, for above reasons. |
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| Asadas | Sep 23 2014, 03:23 AM Post #40 |
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Difficult task but not impossible for coalition of lions who show no restrain. 2 Inexperienced males take down full grown female rhino ![]() We also spotted a male lion in the tall grass and as we approached, we realized that two brothers had managed to kill a fully grown female rhino. Our guide, Pule, was beside himself because he didn't think that a pair of relatively inexperienced lions (they know all the lions in the reserve by name) could take down a rhino, but as he said, "Miracles do happen". http://razaman.blogspot.com/ ![]() ubadults teasing full grown rhino and calf http://africansafarinews.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html ![]() ![]() ![]() Phinda's north pride has managed to kill their fourth white rhino in as many years. The prides dominant male, we believe him to be around 250kg, with the weight and power to accomplish such a feit. One of these kills was witnessed, and started out with the sub-adults chasing and almost "playing" with the rhino. When the dominant male got up and grabbed the rhino over its muzzle, the rest of the pride subsequently took interest and started to jump on the rhino's back, untill the animal was brought down. The male took half an hour to then suffocate the animal. Lets hope they don't start taking interest in our black rhino!! http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/lions-kill-yet-another-rhino |
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| blaze | Sep 23 2014, 03:56 AM Post #41 |
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Methinks most people are understimating the lions here, we know lions kill subadult males about 130cm tall at the shoulder, now thanks to Asadas we know that they can kill adult female white rhino which are comparable if not larger than full grown male black rhino, don't be fooled by hunter tales of 2-3 tonne 6ft tall black rhino, in the few instances where several adult black rhino were accurately measured (La Chevallerei, 1970; Denney, 1969) adult males came out averaging not much than 1 tonne so we can expect their true shoulder height at 150cm or less on average, it might be dangerous for them to hunt adult black rhino but that doesn't mean that is an impossible task for 3 determined males. @Asadas Your first account is of a female white rhino? or a black one? seems to be a white one but I'm not sure. |
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| Asadas | Sep 23 2014, 05:22 AM Post #42 |
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This incident provides evidence to suggest a link between attempted lion predation and tail amputation in black rhinoceros. Significantly, it implies that amputated tails and ears throughout Africa may represent failed depredation attempts and that calf predation may be more prevalent than previously appreciated. Predation is seldom considered in the management of black rhinoceros but should be when attributing cause to poor population performance of this critically endangered species. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3377/004.044.0216 http://biologypop.com/community-interaction-predation-info/ Blaze here is the info, I am not sure if its white or black rhino. Here is a pair near where they photoed the lions ![]() http://razaman.blogspot.com/2009/08/south-africa-2009-part-4.html http://razaman.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html A lion in the Pilanesburg National Park attacked and killed a Black Rhinoceros just hours before this picture was taken. If you look close, you can see blood on his face. I understand why the lion is king of the jungle. http://mobilemissionministry.org/king-of-kings.html
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| blaze | Sep 23 2014, 05:43 AM Post #43 |
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Thanks, there's a larger version in the links you give, I can see its face more clearly, it is a white rhino. |
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| Submit name request | Sep 23 2014, 10:40 AM Post #44 |
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I think the rhino would be much too powerful for the lions. A whole pride of lions would be a better match, but I would probably still lean toward the rhino. |
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| blaze | Sep 23 2014, 11:18 AM Post #45 |
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What about the accounts mentioned above of lions killing female White rhinos which are much bigger than black rhinos? what about the accounts already in the scientific literature of lions killing subadult black rhinos without problems? |
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