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Bully Kutta 18 (42.9%)
Common Chimpanzee 24 (57.1%)
Total Votes: 42
Bully Kutta v Common Chimpanzee
Topic Started: Mar 6 2012, 07:42 PM (5,911 Views)
Taipan
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Bully Kutta
Bully Kutta is a Molosser type dog which is found largely in Indian Sub-continent. The word Bully actually derives from the languages of Sindhi and Hindi-Urdu as bohli — meaning heavily wrinkled and the word Kutta means dog. In India it is also known as the Alangu Mastiff. Bully Kutta is known as the Pakistani Mastiff but, in some parts of Pakistan it's also referred to as the Sindhi Mastiff. They are typically found today in heavily rural areas of Sindh owned by wealthy farmers. While they are starting to get worldwide attention, it is because of their size and strength that these dogs are used in dog fighting. The breed is also used for guarding purposes. The Bully Kutta has a short smooth coat that is usually predominantly white in color. However fawn, black, harlequin, red and brindle markings are seen as well. The muzzle is black and the skin around the neck and mouth is loose. The brisket is deep and the limbs are very well muscled. The back is extended with the tail tapering to a fine point. The ears are set high on the large skull and pricked. It has a long and graceful stride. The males vary from 32 to 42 inches and the females vary from 28 to 36 inches tall. They usually weigh 150 to 170 and few bullys have been known to reach over 200 pounds. They are very muscular and thick boned.

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Common Chimpanzee - Pan troglodytes
The common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes), also known as the robust chimpanzee, is a species of great ape. Colloquially, the common chimpanzee is often called the chimpanzee (or 'chimp'), though technically this term refers to both species in the genus Pan: the common chimpanzee and the closely related bonobo, formerly called the pygmy chimpanzee. Evidence from fossils and DNA sequencing show that both species of chimpanzees are the sister group to the modern human lineage. The common chimpanzee is covered in coarse black hair but has a bare face, fingers, toes, palms of the hands and soles of the feet. It is considered more robust than the bonobo, weighing between 40 and 70 kg (88 and 150 lb) and measuring approximately 1.6 to 1.3 m (5 ft 3 in to 4 ft 3 in) from head to tail. Its gestation period is eight months. Infants are weaned when they are about three years old, but usually maintain a close relationship with their mother for several more years; it reaches puberty at the age of eight to ten, and its lifespan in captivity is about fifty years. The common chimpanzee lives in groups which range in size from 15 to 150 members, although individuals travel and forage in much smaller groups during the day. The species lives in a male-dominated, strict hierarchy, which means disputes can generally be settled without the need for violence. Nearly all chimpanzee populations have been recorded using tools, modifying sticks, rocks, grass, and leaves and use them for acquiring honey, termites, ants, nuts, and water. The species has also been found creating sharpened sticks to spear Senegal bushbabies out of small holes in trees.

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Gregoire
Mar 5 2012, 09:27 PM
Bully Kutta vs Male Chimpanse
Edited by Taipan, Jul 15 2014, 11:47 PM.
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Ive heard about bully kutta a lot of tales: strongest dog, over 90 kg weight gigants... But honestly 70 kg chimp vs 70 kg bully for me its 60/40 in favor of ape.
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Very even match, if the hype is to be believed Bully Kuttas are very powerful dogs, but if nature was rock paper scissors I sorta feel like Primates are rock to canid's scissors.
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I think the dog takes this. It would be too large for the ape to overpower and bite for bite, the dog is gonna cause a lot more damage on the thin skinned ape than the reverse. The dog is also much better suited to the stresses of fighting with incredible pain tolerance and intensity. Not counting out the ape though, a 200lb rampaging chimpanzee is not something that will go down without a fight
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Rodentsofunusualsize
Mar 6 2012, 08:46 PM
Very even match, if the hype is to be believed Bully Kuttas are very powerful dogs, but if nature was rock paper scissors I sorta feel like Primates are rock to canid's scissors.
What makes you say that?

I support the Bully Kutta - from what I've seen an agile, quick dog for it's size, something a lot of mastiff-like molossers can't boast - and seemingly quite powerful.
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Chimps are among the most overrated animals in this forum. If this powerful and magnificent dog really weights between 150 and 170 lbs it should take this fight rather neatly. Consider also that this dog is probably not well known and popular in the West b/c it's an Indian breed, thus it doesn't enjoy all the hype that surrounds tha APBT.
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Whew buddy you don't know the hype that this breed was involved with some years ago. They were like mega killers, like kangals.
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At average weights this would - quite obviously - be a massacre with a mauled chimpanzee that has bites and blood all over its body and a dog wagging its tailed and licking blood from its lips.
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This is an even match and could go either way, as both have comparable weights. The rigidly attached skin of chimp (a common feature they share with humans) is only a serious disadvantage against contenders with claws (cats, bears), but not against dogs. The chimp has the advantage of dexterity to grab and manipulate the dog's head, but the dog has likely a much more powerful bite and is a quadruped. While chimps are semi erect and walk on their knuckles in quadrupedal manner, they become fully erect when they fight, the dog may adopt a bipedal position but without becoming erect and its motion will be closer to the ground. This means that the chimp exposes a larger cross section for the dog to bite than vice versa.

This match has some similarities with a match between the same dog and a very strong 200 lbs plus man. The chimp has some advantages over the man: its bite can do more harm and is not as tall as the man (which reduces the cross section for the dog), but the man has also advantages over the chimp: larger weight (200 lbs plus vs 150 lbs of a common chimp) and a better fighting technique with capacity to cause more harm by trauma: punches, kicks, choking, head buts (actions that chimps are not observed doing regularly when they fight).
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Dog wins, but the Chimp is not to be underestimated. They can be quite nasty especially when being violent.
Edited by DinosaurMichael, Mar 7 2012, 12:08 PM.
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Gato Gordo
Mar 7 2012, 12:02 PM
This is an even match and could go either way, as both have comparable weights. The rigidly attached skin of chimp (a common feature they share with humans) is only a serious disadvantage against contenders with claws (cats, bears), but not against dogs. The chimp has the advantage of dexterity to grab and manipulate the dog's head, but the dog has likely a much more powerful bite and is a quadruped. While chimps are semi erect and walk on their knuckles in quadrupedal manner, they become fully erect when they fight, the dog may adopt a bipedal position but without becoming erect and its motion will be closer to the ground. This means that the chimp exposes a larger cross section for the dog to bite than vice versa.

This match has some similarities with a match between the same dog and a very strong 200 lbs plus man. The chimp has some advantages over the man: its bite can do more harm and is not as tall as the man (which reduces the cross section for the dog), but the man has also advantages over the chimp: larger weight (200 lbs plus vs 150 lbs of a common chimp) and a better fighting technique with capacity to cause more harm by trauma: punches, kicks, choking, head buts (actions that chimps are not observed doing regularly when they fight).
Here I have to disagree Gato. Even a very strong man would be at disadvantage against such a big and aggressive dog, unless he has real fighting training and experience. Here the psychological factor would be very important. Normally a man, even a very strong one, would tend to panic in such a situation, and wouldn't know how to react effectively, unless he hasn't specific training (like, for instance, an elite special force soldier). I have also a hard time imagining somebody headbutting a dog. Chimps are more aggressive and agile than humans, but it seems that they tend to panic and their reactions don't seem very focused and effective - at least judging by the video where a troop of chimps confronts a robotic leopard.
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Mar 7 2012, 12:02 PM
While chimps are semi erect and walk on their knuckles in quadrupedal manner, they become fully erect when they fight, the dog may adopt a bipedal position but without becoming erect and its motion will be closer to the ground.

no.. just no..

i have already corrected you (a few?) times on this issue yet it seems you still want to persist in spreading myths and lies.

footage clearly shows that there is a distinct bending at the back when they engage their opponent in a bipedal manner to maximize stability.

they definitely DO NOT engage opponents in a fully erect posture..

in fact, i doubt they are even capable of doing it for long periods of time with any sort of efficiency. the only mammals capable of doing this is Homo Sapiens..



Edited by TheWho, Mar 7 2012, 03:15 PM.
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my take on this match up is as with most ape vs predator match ups..

the ape has a way to win.. diving in and grabbing the forelimb and subsequently fracturing (not even breaking it entirely as apes have been known to do with reasonable swiftness) the arm bones with a bite would be a devastating handicap to an opponent.. in this instance, i do not think most animals have the ability to break an ape's grip with any sort of high efficiency.. except maybe clawing and biting like a girl to force a release, lolol..

typically to efficiently break hand grips in grappling matches, we yank away the opponent's hand or pry it open with our own hands and fingers.. dogs do not have this ability.. lacking monstrously powerful hands and prehensile limbs..


Edited by TheWho, Mar 7 2012, 03:15 PM.
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Mar 7 2012, 02:04 PM
Here I have to disagree Gato. Even a very strong man would be at disadvantage against such a big and aggressive dog, unless he has real fighting training and experience. Here the psychological factor would be very important. Normally a man, even a very strong one, would tend to panic in such a situation, and wouldn't know how to react effectively, unless he hasn't specific training (like, for instance, an elite special force soldier). I have also a hard time imagining somebody headbutting a dog. Chimps are more aggressive and agile than humans, but it seems that they tend to panic and their reactions don't seem very focused and effective - at least judging by the video where a troop of chimps confronts a robotic leopard.


lol speak for yourself.. just because you would panic doesn't mean a real man would.. just because you personally do not know how to put away a dog swiftly doesn't mean other men cannot..

you are just projecting your own weakness and insecurities as a man onto humanity as a whole it seems..

for those of us who still have our balls and masculinity or done any type of contact sports.. we know for a fact that dangerous situations bring out the best in our physical and mental capabilities.

this trait is literally encoded in our DNA..

we are the creme da la creme of what humans have to offer by token of being in the latter day stages of an evolutionary selection process that for the most part favored only the most toughest SOBs out there.. only men willing to defend his family against stresses would selected to prosper and have offspring with by females.. we are the sons of those men.

it is only recently that this selection process has stopped and we as men traded in our physical toughness for a desk and a laptop..

anyways i guess some men revel in their new found softness even more so than others.. lolol..




Edited by TheWho, Mar 7 2012, 03:22 PM.
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