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Caracal v Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Topic Started: Mar 30 2012, 08:39 PM (14,638 Views)
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Caracal - Caracal caracal
The caracal (Caracal caracal, pronounced /ˈkærəkæl/) is a fiercely territorial medium-sized cat ranging over Western Asia, South Asia and Africa. The caracal is distributed over Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and India. Its chief habitat is dry steppes and semideserts, but it also inhabits woodlands, savannah, and scrub forest. They generally prefer open country, so long as there is sufficient cover, in the form of bushes and rocks, from which to ambush prey. The caracal is a slender, yet muscular, cat, with long legs and a short tail. Males typically weigh 13 to 18 kilograms (29 to 40 lb), while females weigh about 11 kilograms (24 lb). The caracal resembles a Eurasian Lynx, and for a long time it was considered a close relative of the lynxes. It has a tail nearly a third of its body length, and both sexes look the same. The caracal is 65 to 90 centimetres (26 to 35 in) in length, with a 30 centimetres (12 in) tail. Compared to lynxes, it has longer legs, shorter fur, and a slimmer appearance.

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Staffordshire Bull Terrier
The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (informally: Staffie, Stafford, Staffy or Staff) is a medium-sized, short-coated, old-time breed of dog. It is an English dog, where it is the 5th most popular breed, and related to the bull terrier. Having descended from dog-fighting ancestors, it is muscular and courageous. It is the subject of breed specific legislation in some jurisdictions. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, stocky, and very muscular dog with strong athletic ability, with a similar appearance to the American Staffordshire terrier and American pit bull terriers sharing the same ancestor. They have a broad head (male considerably more than female), defined occipital muscles, a relatively short foreface, dark round eyes and a wide mouth with a clean scissor-like bite (the top incisors slightly overlap the bottom incisors). The ears are small. The cheek muscles are very pronounced. Their lips show no looseness. From above, the head loosely resembles a triangle. The head tapers down to a strong well-muscled neck and shoulders placed on squarely spaced forelimbs. They are tucked up in their loins and the last 1-2 ribs of their ribcage are usually visible. Their tail resembles an old fashioned pump handle. Their hind quarters are well-muscled and are what give the Stafford drive when baiting. They are coloured brindle, black, red, fawn, blue, white, or any blending of these colors with white. White with any other colour broken up over the body is known as pied. Liver-colored, black and tan dogs can occur but are rare. The coat is smooth and clings tightly to the body giving the dog a streamlined appearance.The dogs stand 36 to 42 cm (14 to 17 in) at the withers and weigh 14 to 18 kg (31 to 40 lb) for males; bitches are 11 to 15.4 kg (24 to 34 lb).

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Lycaon
Mar 30 2012, 11:18 AM
caracal vs staffordshire bull terrier
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Thats really matters - its evidence encounters in nature between 2 species. Any others "arguments","posts","voting" - its OPINIONS. I favor the cat in this one, somebody favor the dog. But generally I will agree, that ursidae=felidae>canidae.
Edited by Gregoire, Mar 31 2012, 07:25 PM.
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Mar 31 2012, 08:40 AM
in this specific case the caracal is too slightly built to take on the tank-dog. At parity a staffie is probably a match for an APBT (and now I'm waiting for Vita to fall on me like a pile of bricks... LOL).

I think looks can be very deceiving, if you have an sbt and a caracal both at 18kg then how can the cat be lightly built, it will be carring just as much or more muscle then the dog and probably less fat and will have far more muscled limbs.
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Mar 31 2012, 07:07 PM
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Mar 31 2012, 08:40 AM
in this specific case the caracal is too slightly built to take on the tank-dog. At parity a staffie is probably a match for an APBT (and now I'm waiting for Vita to fall on me like a pile of bricks... LOL).

I think looks can be very deceiving, if you have an sbt and a caracal both at 18kg then how can the cat be lightly built, it will be carring just as much or more muscle then the dog and probably less fat and will have far more muscled limbs.

Maybe someone can do a picture comparison.
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Mar 31 2012, 08:40 AM
in this specific case the caracal is too slightly built to take on the tank-dog. At parity a staffie is probably a match for an APBT (and now I'm waiting for Vita to fall on me like a pile of bricks... LOL).

I think looks can be very deceiving, if you have an sbt and a caracal both at 18kg then how can the cat be lightly built, it will be carring just as much or more muscle then the dog and probably less fat and will have far more muscled limbs.

Yes I think at parity cat is more muscled built and more athletic. Grappling ability, forelimbs, agility - at parity cat have better chances plus its wild animal. Dhole would be better match.
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A staff would be able to defeat a dhole and a coyote though. At similar weights the staff is clearly the more robust of the two animals in this match up. This particular cat's claws would not cause true significant damage, Its head size and its teeth isn't nearly as formidable as the largest lynx and average CL. A staff is too strong for this cat to attempt to subdue long enough to finish the fight. It would be mauled to death, literally.
Edited by Vita, Mar 31 2012, 07:45 PM.
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Gregoire
Mar 31 2012, 06:33 PM
But generally I will agree, that ursidae=felidae>canidae.


Well its pretty apparent in terms of fighting ability:
Ursidae>Canidae
Felidae>Canidae
Mustelidae>Canidae

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Mar 31 2012, 07:54 PM
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Mar 31 2012, 06:33 PM
But generally I will agree, that ursidae=felidae>canidae.


Well its pretty apparent in terms of fighting ability:
Ursidae>Canidae
Felidae>Canidae
Mustelidae>Canidae


And big cats>mustelidae> ursidae>small cats (other then CL) IMO
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The staff will use the caracal as a rag, to tenacious and strong.
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Perhaps Lycaon can make a comparison so we can note the difference in muscle mass visually.

I vote for the staff. The weight of the caracal is in that controversial area where dogs can still beat cats and when cats start to dominate dogs. I have never been around a staff, but I have been around a number of caracals. They are known in the zoo world for being aggressive unless you worked with them from when they were born. The one's I have seen were in good shape, as in note obese, but they were not overly muscular. Pitbulls are very common where I live (in fact most of the dogs around here at pits or pit-mixes.

If the staff is built anything like a pit, then this should certainly go to the staff. Its neck is too thick for its vertebrae to be broken, so a suffocating bite is the only option. The staff will certainly ignore clawing of any kind, and I feel that once the staff latches on and shakes, it will break the caracal.

Taipan, didn't you post a picture of a robust caracal? I do not recall what thread it was in. Perhaps you could repost it here for people to see.
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Apr 1 2012, 01:10 AM
Perhaps Lycaon can make a comparison so we can note the difference in muscle mass visually.

I vote for the staff. The weight of the caracal is in that controversial area where dogs can still beat cats and when cats start to dominate dogs. I have never been around a staff, but I have been around a number of caracals. They are known in the zoo world for being aggressive unless you worked with them from when they were born. The one's I have seen were in good shape, as in note obese, but they were not overly muscular. Pitbulls are very common where I live (in fact most of the dogs around here at pits or pit-mixes.

If the staff is built anything like a pit, then this should certainly go to the staff. Its neck is too thick for its vertebrae to be broken, so a suffocating bite is the only option. The staff will certainly ignore clawing of any kind, and I feel that once the staff latches on and shakes, it will break the caracal.

Taipan, didn't you post a picture of a robust caracal? I do not recall what thread it was in. Perhaps you could repost it here for people to see.
I need to find good pictures of the two first. I haven't really given the graph much thought but I will do one. What you can certainly expect is that the head of the dog will dwarf that of the caracal.
You can see on the scale I posted earlier between the coyote skull and the staffie

here are some examples of both species
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I am not sure the caracal's mouth opens wide enough to fit around the staff's neck.
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I am not sure either, tho the feline would not have to fully envelope the dogs neck in order to kill the dog. But the larger muscular neck of the staff would certainly make it harder than that of the small antelope, rodents and birds the caracal is use to.

I posted frontal images of the animals and the dog is certainly much wider in build and muscular.
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Taipan
Mar 31 2012, 07:54 PM
Mustelidae>Canidae
Didn`t you provide some source in the old forum that patterdale terriers are used to bait badgers in the nilemonitor vs patterdale terrier thread?
Edited by coherentsheaf, Apr 1 2012, 05:45 AM.
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and before the dog community bombards me with not using skinnier staffies, here are some leaner ones.
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might as well do the same with the caracals
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ok must be a certain subspecies but these caracals are creepy
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Gregoire
Mar 31 2012, 08:10 PM
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Mar 31 2012, 07:54 PM
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Mar 31 2012, 06:33 PM
But generally I will agree, that ursidae=felidae>canidae.


Well its pretty apparent in terms of fighting ability:
Ursidae>Canidae
Felidae>Canidae
Mustelidae>Canidae


And big cats>mustelidae> ursidae>small cats (other then CL) IMO
Well, IMO it's very difficult to compare Mustelids and Ursids, since they are at the opposite end of Carnivora's size range. And the CL is technically a big cat, even if its size is in the small cats' range. IMO big cats in general are the best fighters, b/c they have an almost perfect balance between power, speed, agility and weaponry. Still it's important to consider each species particular characteristics.
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