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Caracal v Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Topic Started: Mar 30 2012, 08:39 PM (14,636 Views)
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Caracal - Caracal caracal
The caracal (Caracal caracal, pronounced /ˈkærəkæl/) is a fiercely territorial medium-sized cat ranging over Western Asia, South Asia and Africa. The caracal is distributed over Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and India. Its chief habitat is dry steppes and semideserts, but it also inhabits woodlands, savannah, and scrub forest. They generally prefer open country, so long as there is sufficient cover, in the form of bushes and rocks, from which to ambush prey. The caracal is a slender, yet muscular, cat, with long legs and a short tail. Males typically weigh 13 to 18 kilograms (29 to 40 lb), while females weigh about 11 kilograms (24 lb). The caracal resembles a Eurasian Lynx, and for a long time it was considered a close relative of the lynxes. It has a tail nearly a third of its body length, and both sexes look the same. The caracal is 65 to 90 centimetres (26 to 35 in) in length, with a 30 centimetres (12 in) tail. Compared to lynxes, it has longer legs, shorter fur, and a slimmer appearance.

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Staffordshire Bull Terrier
The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (informally: Staffie, Stafford, Staffy or Staff) is a medium-sized, short-coated, old-time breed of dog. It is an English dog, where it is the 5th most popular breed, and related to the bull terrier. Having descended from dog-fighting ancestors, it is muscular and courageous. It is the subject of breed specific legislation in some jurisdictions. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, stocky, and very muscular dog with strong athletic ability, with a similar appearance to the American Staffordshire terrier and American pit bull terriers sharing the same ancestor. They have a broad head (male considerably more than female), defined occipital muscles, a relatively short foreface, dark round eyes and a wide mouth with a clean scissor-like bite (the top incisors slightly overlap the bottom incisors). The ears are small. The cheek muscles are very pronounced. Their lips show no looseness. From above, the head loosely resembles a triangle. The head tapers down to a strong well-muscled neck and shoulders placed on squarely spaced forelimbs. They are tucked up in their loins and the last 1-2 ribs of their ribcage are usually visible. Their tail resembles an old fashioned pump handle. Their hind quarters are well-muscled and are what give the Stafford drive when baiting. They are coloured brindle, black, red, fawn, blue, white, or any blending of these colors with white. White with any other colour broken up over the body is known as pied. Liver-colored, black and tan dogs can occur but are rare. The coat is smooth and clings tightly to the body giving the dog a streamlined appearance.The dogs stand 36 to 42 cm (14 to 17 in) at the withers and weigh 14 to 18 kg (31 to 40 lb) for males; bitches are 11 to 15.4 kg (24 to 34 lb).

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Lycaon
Mar 30 2012, 11:18 AM
caracal vs staffordshire bull terrier
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Rammus
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Gonna go with the dog since it seems that it has a stronger bite force.
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dog stronger bite
caracal win more muscular,weight,paws,agility
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This was a blowout it seems in favor of the canid..........
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I see what you're doing, black. lol
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I'm sorry just couldn't help myself :P
Edited by Black Ice, Jan 17 2013, 07:22 AM.
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Well - basically this is a domesticated Canine vs. a wild cat. Yes - the SBt is built more massively - but mass wise they are roughly the same. The Caracal has superior weapons with those claws, and also superior speed and agility.

While the SBT may be good a fighting with other canines - it not built for fighting a wild feline. And typically A SBT nknow nothing about having to catch it's own food. Also the Caracal quite capable of preying on animals which are larger than it's self - such as small antelope weighing between 25-50 kg.

Sorry dog lovers, but IMO The advantage belongs with the Caracal. Also I've seen how bigger dogs (like Rotties, and German Shepards) react to a wild feline the size of a Caracal - and it can be summed up in one word - FEAR. The same would be true in this match up, as well.
Edited by dino-ken, Jan 17 2013, 12:20 PM.
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Similar to bobcat vs staffie (see more explanation in my post on that thread). Assuming no human intervention and no 'dog ambush' (surprise attack) the staffie would have an edge, but would not be a caracal massacre in 5 seconds.

Lycaon: you admit that the staffie would suffer nasty slashing wounds (and I would add also bites) but would ignore them and continue until terminating the cat. This may be a realistic assessement, but if it happens in the wild and the dog was COMPLETELY on its own (no humans there to take it to the vet) the dog could easily die latter from these wounds.
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Jan 17 2013, 12:09 PM


Lycaon: you admit that the staffie would suffer nasty slashing wounds (and I would add also bites) but would ignore them and continue until terminating the cat. This may be a realistic assessement, but if it happens in the wild and the dog was COMPLETELY on its own (no humans there to take it to the vet) the dog could easily die latter from these wounds.
Yes I should have added bites to the list and you are likely correct about the chance the dog could die from the wounds.
Even domestic cat bites can leave terriers with nasty abscesses, even more so than the clawing.

I have a question for you gato regarding feline post infections caused by feline inflicted wounds. Would you say bites by a dog in a fight with a cat lead to infections that could later kill the feline?
I am just curious, as I know first hand that feline wounds can infect dogs and people, myself included. But I have never heard of dog wounds infecting cats, due to either the cat never being seen again, or because it expired.
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Jan 17 2013, 12:09 PM
Similar to bobcat vs staffie (see more explanation in my post on that thread). Assuming no human intervention and no 'dog ambush' (surprise attack) the staffie would have an edge, but would not be a caracal massacre in 5 seconds.

Lycaon: you admit that the staffie would suffer nasty slashing wounds (and I would add also bites) but would ignore them and continue until terminating the cat. This may be a realistic assessement, but if it happens in the wild and the dog was COMPLETELY on its own (no humans there to take it to the vet) the dog could easily die latter from these wounds.
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Similar to bobcat vs staffie (see more explanation in my post on that thread). Assuming no human intervention and no 'dog ambush' (surprise attack) the staffie would have an edge, but would not be a caracal massacre in 5 seconds


Not it's not the same - as I explained - the Bobcat is a small game hunter. Where as the Caracal is much better at preying on larger game. Also although both cats may be similar in size and mass. The differences in the size of their preferred prey affects how they would differ as a foe for a Staffie.

The Caracal is actually faster, more agile, with larger claws. In addition Caracals tend to have a more big cat attitude than Bobcats do. So therefore it would be a much more dangerous foe for any domesticated canine.
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bobcats have killed prey just as large if not larger than prey taken by the caracal
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dino-ken
Jan 17 2013, 01:49 PM
Gato Gordo
Jan 17 2013, 12:09 PM
Similar to bobcat vs staffie (see more explanation in my post on that thread). Assuming no human intervention and no 'dog ambush' (surprise attack) the staffie would have an edge, but would not be a caracal massacre in 5 seconds.

Lycaon: you admit that the staffie would suffer nasty slashing wounds (and I would add also bites) but would ignore them and continue until terminating the cat. This may be a realistic assessement, but if it happens in the wild and the dog was COMPLETELY on its own (no humans there to take it to the vet) the dog could easily die latter from these wounds.
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Similar to bobcat vs staffie (see more explanation in my post on that thread). Assuming no human intervention and no 'dog ambush' (surprise attack) the staffie would have an edge, but would not be a caracal massacre in 5 seconds


Not it's not the same - as I explained - the Bobcat is a small game hunter. Where as the Caracal is much better at preying on larger game. Also although both cats may be similar in size and mass. The differences in the size of their preferred prey affects how they would differ as a foe for a Staffie.

The Caracal is actually faster, more agile, with larger claws. In addition Caracals tend to have a more big cat attitude than Bobcats do. So therefore it would be a much more dangerous foe for any domesticated canine.


Dino-ken, a male Bobcat based on diet, behaviour and attitude may as well be a different species to female Bobcats.

Behaviors of Bobcats Preying on White-tailed Deer in the Everglades
Ronald F. Labisky and Margaret C. Boulay

Department of Wildlife Ecology and Conservation, University of Florida, Gainesville 32611

Predatory behaviors of bobcats (Lynx rufus) that preyed on 39 radio-instrumented white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginanus) in the Everglades during a 3-yr study, 1 April 1989–31 March 1992, are described and compared with those of other felids. Bobcats killed 33 fawns and six adults by administering one bite to the neck and throat region. The maximum prey:predator weight ratio was 8:1. Twelve (31%) of 39 kills were dragged 2–10 m to concealment cover before being eaten. Twelve (71%) of 17 carcasses that were not dragged from the kill site exhibited a characteristic death form in that the head on each was twisted backwards (throat dorsal) and positioned diagonally under the shoulder. Feeding was initiated on large muscle masses, predominantly on the hindquarters. Bobcats eviscerated 29 (83%) of 35 carcasses, severed one fore- or hind-limbs from 18 (55%) of 33 kills, and plucked hair from 13 (33%) of 39 carcasses. Bobcats partially or completely covered 17 (52%) of 33 carcasses with plant litter. Thus, bobcats preying on deer in the Everglades displayed notable differences in eviscerating, feeding, and covering behaviors.

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"The ratio of prey weight to bobcat weight merits mention. Weights of adult bobcats in Florida range from 5.7 to 10.2 kg for females and 9.0 to 12.5 kg for males (Progulske, 1982; Wassmer et al., 1988). Thus, the ratio of prey (deer) weight to bobcat weight in the Everglades potentially varied from a minimum of 1:2 (small fawn, large bobcat) to a maximum of 8:1 (adult deer, small bobcat). Comparatively, other solitary hunting felids also display high maximum prey : predator weight ratios, e.g., cougars (Puma concolor), 6.17:1; cheetahs,4.13:1; tigers (Panthera tigris), 2.78:1; and lynx (Lynx canadensis), 2.25:1 (Packer, 1986).
Furthermore, the prey : predator weight ratio for bobcats [8:1 (this study); 7.25:1 (Packer, 1986)] is similar to the reported ratio [7.45:1 (Packer, 1986)] for lions (Panthera leo), which often hunt in groups to facilitate the taking of large prey. Although the capability of the bobcat to kill prey larger than itself is consistent with the killing capability of other felids, the bobcat appears to be unusually adept in its ability to kill prey species many-fold larger than itself despite the fact that it is a solitary hunter."


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Okay - I stand corrected - so that would mean female bobcats would be small game hunters, while male bobcats are larger game hunters. Also it's should be noted that the sub-species of white-tailed deer are only about 35-50 kg.

So a male bobcat may fair about the same as a Caracal against a Staffie.
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Jan 17 2013, 12:53 PM
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Lycaon: you admit that the staffie would suffer nasty slashing wounds (and I would add also bites) but would ignore them and continue until terminating the cat. This may be a realistic assessement, but if it happens in the wild and the dog was COMPLETELY on its own (no humans there to take it to the vet) the dog could easily die latter from these wounds.
Yes I should have added bites to the list and you are likely correct about the chance the dog could die from the wounds.
Even domestic cat bites can leave terriers with nasty abscesses, even more so than the clawing.

I have a question for you gato regarding feline post infections caused by feline inflicted wounds. Would you say bites by a dog in a fight with a cat lead to infections that could later kill the feline?
I am just curious, as I know first hand that feline wounds can infect dogs and people, myself included. But I have never heard of dog wounds infecting cats, due to either the cat never being seen again, or because it expired.
Lycaon, depending on the intensity and extend of damage an unattended dog bite can also cause nasty infections and possible later death of the felines. I know of cases of domestic cats that had survived nasty dog bites and all required vet attention. Since wounds inflicted on each other are so potentially harmful, bobcats and coyotes (both being wild) tend to avoid direct physical contact unless there is a sizable weight edge (a male coyote vs a female bobcat as reported in the Kemmler study in Kansas). In fact, I would even venture saying that coyotes may be bolder because they are social. It doesn't matter that they tend (in many areas) to forage alone most times, the fact is that they live in family groups, whereas bobcats are solitary. Thus, a wounded coyote has better survival chances than a wounded bobcat. However, staffies and small terriers (being domestic and cared by humans) lack this hesitation. In fact part of their breeding is to remove this hesitation and attack in spite of wounds (this would make their survival WITOUT HUMAN CARE in the wild very difficult.
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Lycaon, depending on the intensity and extend of damage an unattended dog bite can also cause nasty infections and possible later death of the felines. I know of cases of domestic cats that had survived nasty dog bites and all required vet attention. Since wounds inflicted on each other are so potentially harmful, bobcats and coyotes (both being wild) tend to avoid direct physical contact unless there is a sizable weight edge (a male coyote vs a female bobcat as reported in the Kemmler study in Kansas). In fact, I would even venture saying that coyotes may be bolder because they are social. It doesn't matter that they tend (in many areas) to forage alone most times, the fact is that they live in family groups, whereas bobcats are solitary. Thus, a wounded coyote has better survival chances than a wounded bobcat. However, staffies and small terriers (being domestic and cared by humans) lack this hesitation. In fact part of their breeding is to remove this hesitation and attack in spite of wounds (this would make their survival WITOUT HUMAN CARE in the wild very difficult.
thanks for the reply.
Regarding infections I noticed that bites from cats almost always lead to infections when compared to clawing. Dogs with clawing wounds need little to no attention while those with feline bites need antibiotics. The reason I was unsure with dog bite infections is due to the lower frequency of deep skin puncturing, many times dogs do internal trauma when biting. I associated the sharper teeth of the feline to break the skin and set the area for infection; that along with the lack of post bleeding. When I was bitten by a stray cat it was quite the hassle to get the wound to bleed out and flush out the wound.

I too would doubt the survival skills of fighting breeds and more fighting oriented terrier breed. Such dogs have little to no concern over their safety, not to say that situations are not always analyzed.
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