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| Honey Badger v Staffordshire Bull Terrier | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 7 2012, 04:05 PM (14,651 Views) | |
| Taipan | Apr 7 2012, 04:05 PM Post #1 |
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Honey Badger - Mellivora capensis The honey badger (Mellivora capensis), also known as the ratel, is a species of mustelid native to Africa, the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent. Despite its name, the honey badger does not closely resemble other badger species, instead bearing more anatomical similarities to weasels. It is classed as Least Concern by the IUCN due to its extensive range and general environmental adaptations. It is a primarily carnivorous species, and has few natural predators due to its thick skin and ferocious defensive abilities. The honey badger has a fairly long body, but is distinctly thick set and broad across the back. Its skin is remarkably loose, and allows it to turn and twist freely within it. The skin around the neck is 6 millimetres (0.24 in) thick, an adaptation to fighting conspecifics. The head is small and flat, with a short muzzle. The eyes are small, and the ears are little more than ridges on the skin, another possible adaptation to avoiding damage while fighting. The honey badger has short and sturdy legs, with five toes on each foot. The feet are armed with very strong claws, which are short on the hind legs and remarkably long on the forelimbs. It is a partially plantigrade animal whose soles are thickly padded and naked up to the wrists. The tail is short and is covered in long hairs, save for below the base. Adults measure 23 to 28 centimetres (9.1 to 11 in) in shoulder height and 68–75 cm in body length, with females being smaller than males. Males on average weigh 12 kg (up to 16 kilograms) (26 to 35 lb) while females weigh 9.1 kg.  Staffordshire Bull Terrier The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (informally: Staffie, Stafford, Staffy or Staff) is a medium-sized, short-coated, old-time breed of dog. It is an English dog, where it is the 5th most popular breed, and related to the bull terrier. Having descended from dog-fighting ancestors, it is muscular and courageous. It is the subject of breed specific legislation in some jurisdictions. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, stocky, and very muscular dog with strong athletic ability, with a similar appearance to the American Staffordshire terrier and American pit bull terriers sharing the same ancestor. They have a broad head (male considerably more than female), defined occipital muscles, a relatively short foreface, dark round eyes and a wide mouth with a clean scissor-like bite (the top incisors slightly overlap the bottom incisors). The ears are small. The cheek muscles are very pronounced. Their lips show no looseness. From above, the head loosely resembles a triangle. The head tapers down to a strong well-muscled neck and shoulders placed on squarely spaced forelimbs. They are tucked up in their loins and the last 1-2 ribs of their ribcage are usually visible. Their tail resembles an old fashioned pump handle. Their hind quarters are well-muscled and are what give the Stafford drive when baiting. They are coloured brindle, black, red, fawn, blue, white, or any blending of these colors with white. White with any other colour broken up over the body is known as pied. Liver-colored, black and tan dogs can occur but are rare. The coat is smooth and clings tightly to the body giving the dog a streamlined appearance.The dogs stand 36 to 42 cm (14 to 17 in) at the withers and weigh 14 to 18 kg (31 to 40 lb) for males; bitches are 11 to 15.4 kg (24 to 34 lb). 
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| Hyaena | Apr 8 2012, 03:35 AM Post #2 |
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Similar to the wolverine vs apbt thread. It would take some time for this dog to kill this badger. A nasty fight will ensue with the badger fighting for it's life on the defensive. |
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| Lycaon | Apr 8 2012, 04:08 AM Post #3 |
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The badgers defenses are its' saving grace, in a realistic scenario, the dog would likely tire out and the badger would limp away or be able to stand ground despite the dog beating and thrashing it about. One could say that can count as a victory for the badger, but the same could be said with the badger not killing the dog. scenario that would be even more unlikely to happen. Staffies are used in hunting other carnivores more than apbts, such as raccoon and foxes. While not on the same league as the badger, the latter carnivores were are not hard to kill for the dog once a throat bite is achieved. My vote goes to the dog. |
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| Lycaon | Apr 8 2012, 06:45 AM Post #4 |
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| Cat | Apr 8 2012, 09:27 AM Post #5 |
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The HB has a very specific feature, an extraordinary elastic skin which is also exceptionally thick in the neck region. Even if the dog is probably stronger and have a more powerful bite, it would be extremely difficult for it to get a good grip on the badger neck. The latter can literally turn inside its skin and bite back at will. It has also more manouverable limbs which gives it wrestling ability, and, even more important, very long and strong claws. So the badger would be able to inflict a lot of damage on the dog, while the latter would keep on chewing on mouthfuls of skin and fur. It would take a lot of time, but in the end the staffie would succumb to blood loss and multiple wounds. |
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| Gregoire | Apr 8 2012, 02:50 PM Post #6 |
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At parity slight edge to HB. Both animals are overhyped, but badger have better durability and weapony. |
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| Taipan | Apr 8 2012, 02:58 PM Post #7 |
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I agree. The Honey Badger is too much for a similar sized canine. The dog might start well, but ultmately end up outclassed.  |
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| 221extra | Apr 8 2012, 04:56 PM Post #8 |
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I agree, in match ups like these it's very hard to see the badger or wolverine be on the offensive, the dog's endurance will be the factor & lead to the mustelid's downfall. |
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| Lycaon | Apr 8 2012, 05:31 PM Post #9 |
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The offensive capabilities of the badger are not on par to that of the dogs. It is the badger defenses that make this match a struggle. One should not expect the dog to tear apart the badger due to the thick skin it posses. Instead the damage would be done through the dogs actual bite force and blunt trauma. Thrashing and biting will be protected by the thick skin but internal organs, bones, and the badgers throat will not. The badger while around the same size is still smaller than the dog, which is more muscular in my opinion. The dog could fit its' mouth around the throat of the badger.  The dog in it's own right has loose skin. 
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| Temnospondyl | Apr 8 2012, 06:30 PM Post #10 |
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Honey badger wins, thanks to better weaponary |
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| Bandog | Apr 8 2012, 07:19 PM Post #11 |
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Yes the best chance the dog has is to grab the head and crush. I can't see the badger killing the dog though. |
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| cidermaster | Apr 8 2012, 07:55 PM Post #12 |
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I would actually feel very very sorry for the dog,very very very very very very sorry. |
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| Taipan | Apr 8 2012, 10:08 PM Post #13 |
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The dogs bite would be ineffective against a Honey Badger. It takes a lot of biting even by lions who have much more superior bites to SBT to kill them. On the other had, a SBT would simply be crunched in a single bite by a Lion. The Honey Badger is simply too well armed, protected and superior in fighting ability to any similar sized canine. Edited by Taipan, Apr 8 2012, 11:49 PM.
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| Canidae | Apr 8 2012, 10:16 PM Post #14 |
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I'm curious as to just how effective a Honey Badgers weapons are in a fight. Yes, they bite hard and have effective claws for digging, but due to diet over ability I've rarely seen them kill anything impressive (not saying they couldn't). I also wonder how the superior dentistry of a wild canid would fare against Honey Badger skin; especially those adept to slice with a trenchant heel like an A.W.D, Dhole or Bush Dog (the latter I.M.O would be too small). Piennar recorded a A.W.D pack killing a Honey Badger but didn't specify much about the details. |
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| Taipan | Apr 8 2012, 11:47 PM Post #15 |
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In the following account, the leopard was not in good shape, but the Ratel was still able to inflict "deep bleeding wounds on the leopard's chest and front legs", which indicates even whilst being bitten by a larger opponent it can effective use "its weapons" in a fight.  That above is from Gato, who can probably shed some more light on it. Edited by Taipan, Apr 8 2012, 11:48 PM.
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