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| Tarbosaurus bataar v Therizinosaurus cheloniformis | |
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| Taipan | Apr 8 2012, 10:22 PM Post #1 |
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Tarbosaurus bataar Tarbosaurus belongs in the subfamily Tyrannosaurinae within the family Tyrannosauridae, along with the earlier Daspletosaurus, the more recent Tyrannosaurus and possibly Alioramus. Animals in this subfamily are more closely related to Tyrannosaurus than to Albertosaurus and are known for their robust build with proportionally larger skulls and longer femurs than in the other subfamily, the Albertosaurinae. Although many specimens of this genus have been found, little definite data was confirmed on the dinosaur as of 1986, though it was presumed to share many characteristics with other tyrannosaurids. The close similarities have prompted some scientists to suggest a possible link between the North American and Eurasian continents at that time, perhaps in the form of a land bridge. As with most dinosaurs, Tarbosaurus size estimates have varied through recent years. It could have been 10 meters long, with a weight of 4 to 5 - 7 tons. ![]() Therizinosaurus cheloniformis Therizinosaurus (play /θɛˌrɪzɨnɵˈsɔrəs/; 'scythe lizard', from the Greek therizo meaning 'to reap' or 'to cut off' and sauros meaning 'lizard') is a genus of very large theropod dinosaur. Therizinosaurus lived in the late Cretaceous Period (late Campanian-early Maastrichtian stages, around 70 million years ago), and was one of the last and largest representatives of its unique group, the Therizinosauria. Its fossils were first discovered in Mongolia and they were originally thought to belong to a turtle-like reptile (hence the species name, T. cheloniformis — "turtle-formed"). It is known only from a few bones, including gigantic hand claws, from which it gets its name. Though the fossil remains of Therizinosaurus are incomplete, inferences can be made about its physical characteristics based on related therizinosaurids. Like other members of its family, Therizinosaurus probably had a small skull atop a long neck, and had a bipedal gait and a heavy, deep, broad body (as evidenced by the wide pelvis of other therizinosaurids). Its forelimbs may have reached a length of 2.5 metres (8 feet) or even 3.5 metres for the largest known specimen. Its hindlimbs ended in four weight-bearing toes, unlike other theropod groups, in which the first toe was reduced to a dewclaw. Gregory S. Paul in 2010 estimated the length of Therizinosaurus at ten metres, the weight at five tonnes. It is the largest therizinosaur known and the largest known member of the Maniraptora. The most distinctive feature of Therizinosaurus was the presence of three gigantic claws on each digit of its frontlimbs. These were common among therizinosaurs but especially large in Therizinosaurus, and while the largest claw specimens are incomplete, they probably reached just under 1 metre (3.28 ft) in length. The claws are the longest known from any animal. The claws were relatively straight, only gradually tapering into a point, and extremely narrow, transversely flattened. ![]() _________________________________________________________________________
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| Tyrant | Sep 1 2012, 02:17 AM Post #16 |
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Mismatch tarbosaurus wins easily. Therizinosaurus would only be able to inflict any major injuries on a similar sized theropod in the freakiest circumstances. |
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| theropod | Sep 1 2012, 02:23 AM Post #17 |
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^not a mismatch but tarbosaurus wins most of the time. Therizinosaurus hughe claws are more than capable of spearing right through the tarbosaurus neck, and it is a massive, tall animal which has probably a weight advantage. the only real target for both here is the neck, and the reason why I give tyrbosaurus the edge is only that it was liekly used to fighting far more than the herbivore |
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| Verdugo | Sep 1 2012, 02:36 AM Post #18 |
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Tarbosaurus wins, based on this scale |
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| theropod | Sep 1 2012, 02:37 AM Post #19 |
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is this therizinosaurus 10m like it should be? looks a good deal shorter to me. |
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| Tyrant | Sep 1 2012, 02:41 AM Post #20 |
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I fail to see how a therizinosaurus could kill ANY similar sized animal with a couple of blows.
How? Look at the chart if therizinosaurus uses its arms to jab at tarbosaurus it can only stab it in the face.
Tyranosaurus are know to have disabled their preys weaponry, no reason to assume tarbosaurus wouldn't break a therizinosaurus's arms before it went for the kill. |
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| theropod | Sep 1 2012, 02:46 AM Post #21 |
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the therizinosaurus in that chart isn´t max size. at max it´s claws should have been 1m or longer when taking into account the ceratine. So you think that tarbosaurus would be easily able to disable a therizinosaurus weaponery by biting the arms without getting stabbed, but an epanterias (which is arguably a much much faster biter due to it´s lighter skull and neck built for ventroflexion) would get bitten in the process of biting a tarbosaurus? |
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| Tyrant | Sep 1 2012, 02:53 AM Post #22 |
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It doesn't matter if its claws get longer, it just can't physically stab the throat its too tall.
Lol when did I say tarbosaurus was going to be dodging anything? Therizonsaurus claws are not steel or metal they are not going to be inflicting any serious injuries on anything larger than its hands with a single cut or stab, unless it hits a vital area. |
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| theropod | Sep 1 2012, 03:09 AM Post #23 |
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I think I can see your problem: you can´t believe that anything can cause serious damage to a tyrannosaur, but on the other hand you think it would in be easily able to kill everything with a single bite. |
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| Tyrant | Sep 1 2012, 03:19 AM Post #24 |
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No I can accept that many animals can easily injure a tyrannosaur just that they can't when their only target is a boney snout. We don't even know how formidble therinozaurus claws actually where but since they long you think they can slash through tarbosaurus throat even though its to tall to even get to it. |
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| theropod | Sep 1 2012, 03:25 AM Post #25 |
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What I can´t accept that basically every tyrannosaur matchup has a comment made by you that claims the tyrannosaur would win nearly every time. A therizinosaurus arms are 3m long, maybe longer, it could easily reach behind the snout of it´s opponent whose skull measures.....whole 1,35m! I agree that tarbosaurus wins this most of the time, it has actual killing expierience and it is a much more agile animal, but there will e times where therizinosaurus can reach the troad and kill the tyrannosaur. my problem is not that you are favouring the tyrannosaur, my problem is that you are claiming this to be a mismatch when it is so obviously not. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Sep 1 2012, 03:27 AM Post #26 |
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It could try to hit Tarbosaurus as bad, as it falls and dies because of it's weight. |
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| Tyrant | Sep 1 2012, 03:35 AM Post #27 |
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Because I don't post in the ones where it loses. Did you see me spouting shit in the spino vs trex thread? No. What about that twenty ton hadrosaur vs tarbosaurus? No.
Yes it could slash at the neck but it woudn't do much damage unless it hit the throat. Remember we are talking about animals who's only real weapons are their jaws and necks they had to be very durable or else they would be prone to breaking in every hunt they partook in. Just look at the way lions hunt, even when they are biting into zebras throats they don't slump over and die instantly. I honestly would favor ALMOST EVERY SINGLE similar sized theropod over a theriznosaurus. Don't get me wrong I like them but I still rank them as crappy fighters.
Unlikely, besides if any one can could topple the other it would be tarbosaurus. It could bite and tug at its arms until it fell. |
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| theropod | Sep 1 2012, 03:39 AM Post #28 |
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And that´s why this is a win for tarbosaurus, but nowhere a mismatch |
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| Tyrant | Sep 1 2012, 03:45 AM Post #29 |
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I would honestly any match between a therizno and any theropod over five tons would be a mismatch, but to each his own. |
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| jj5893 | Oct 27 2012, 01:46 PM Post #30 |
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That's right, therizinosaurus has 1 metre long claws and so it wins. The neck was actually quite short despite the images of it, if tarbosaurus charges a hit of those claws would send tarbosaurus packing. |
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