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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 10 2012, 10:22 PM (20,540 Views) | |
| Taipan | Apr 10 2012, 10:22 PM Post #1 |
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Red Fox - Vulpes vulpes The red fox (Vulpes vulpes) is the largest of the true foxes, as well as being the most geographically spread member of the Carnivora, being distributed across the entire northern hemisphere from the Arctic Circle to North Africa, Central America and the steppes of Asia. Its range has increased alongside human expansion, having been introduced to Australia, where it is considered harmful to native mammal and bird populations. Red foxes have elongated bodies and relatively short limbs. The tail, which is longer than half the body length (70% of head and body length), is long, fluffy and reaches the ground when in a standing position. Red foxes are the largest species of the genus Vulpes. However, relative to dimensions, red foxes are much lighter than similarly sized dogs of the Canis genus. Their limb bones, for example, weigh 30% less per unit area of bone than expected for similarly sized dogs. They display significant individual, sexual, age and geographical variation in size. On average, adults measure 35–50 cm (14–20 in) high at the shoulder and 45 to 90 cm (18 to 35 in) in body length with tails measuring 30 to 63 in (760 to 1,600 mm). The ears measure 7.7–12.5 cm (3–5 in) and the hind feet 12–18.5 cm (5–7 in). They weigh 2.2 to 14 kg (4.9 to 31 lb), with vixens typically weighing 15–20% less than males. ![]() Common Raccoon - Procyon lotor The raccoon, Procyon lotor (sometimes spelled as 'racoon'), also known as the common raccoon, North American raccoon, northern raccoon and colloquially as coon, is a medium-sized mammal native to North America. The body weight of an adult raccoon varies considerably with habitat; it can range from 2 to 14 kilograms (4 to 30 lb), but is usually between 3.5 and 9 kilograms (8 and 20 lb). The smallest specimens are found in Southern Florida, while those near the northern limits of the raccoon's range tend to be the largest. Males are usually 15 to 20% heavier than females. At the beginning of winter, a raccoon can weigh twice as much as in spring because of fat storage. It is one of the most variably sized of all mammals. The largest recorded wild raccoon weighed 28.4 kg (62.6 lb) and measured 140 cm (55 in) in total length, by far the largest size recorded for a procyonid. The raccoon is usually nocturnal and is omnivorous, with a diet consisting of about 40% invertebrates, 33% plant foods, and 27% vertebrates. It has a grayish coat, of which almost 90% is dense underfur, which insulates against cold weather. Two of its most distinctive features are its extremely dexterous front paws and its facial mask, which are themes in the mythology of several Native American tribes. Raccoons are noted for their intelligence, with studies showing that they are able to remember the solution to tasks up to three years later. ![]() _____________________________________________________________________________
Edited by Taipan, Jul 20 2012, 08:30 PM.
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| Honey Badger | Jun 27 2013, 09:22 AM Post #46 |
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Ur ready 4 Freddy, butt f*cked bi Foxy
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Calling members morons and idiots is a bit harsh don't you think ?I choose raccoon Edited by Honey Badger, Jun 27 2013, 09:23 AM.
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| retic | Jun 27 2013, 12:04 PM Post #47 |
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raccoon wins. they are aggressive and have sharp claws while foxes don't use claws as weapons. |
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| Vivec | Jun 29 2013, 01:19 AM Post #48 |
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That doesn't mean anything, a Coon has more individual flexibility and ferocity than a Fox, and is still more trouble to kill than a Coyote for most dogs, so does that mean a Coon will kill a Coyote in a face-to-face fight? Here's an example of a dog easily killing a Raccoon anyway, and it's a pet Collie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=227T-1eigZY Not posting links in case of ban, but it's quite clear they aren't going to be killing a male Red Fox with any relative ease, at the very least. |
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| ARM0R | Jun 29 2013, 02:09 AM Post #49 |
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Not sure what the raccoon is capable of but I´ve seen an adult red fox kill a young deer/fawn like a month ago when I´ve been out in the woods. It literally jumped over a narrow creek and caught/killed the deer in seconds. Felt sorry for it. Anyways... Them red foxes are very capable predators. |
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| Full Throttle | Jun 29 2013, 02:15 AM Post #50 |
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This is a relevant pic, it shows a raccoon chasing off a fox at a bait station, shows a comparison between the two:
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| ARM0R | Jun 29 2013, 02:22 AM Post #51 |
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Nice picture. The raccoon seems to have a solid build. |
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| Vivec | Jun 29 2013, 02:25 AM Post #52 |
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That's a possibility, but the Raccoon isn't a good killer itself, Red Foxes have taken much more beating trying to kill a small Deer alone and the Raccoon can only take as much damage as any other animal its size can. They are smaller in height and stature than the average Ere's an image from BigCatsinSussex.com, a small deer killed by a Red Fox, in which these idiots thought was a big cat. Vulpes vulpes are much more experienced killers than the Raccoon, which are at least more omnivorous than the vulpune. A Raccoon I can't imagine taking down a ungulate of that size with the same ease I imagine that the Foxes more powerful skull it capable of accomplishing. And not to make any sudden decisions, but the Raccoon probably couldn't utilize its limbs in the same way a lot of larger animals could, as they have a lack of wide, bulky arms and a overall compacted stature. I think it would simply be holding on in the case that the Red Fox got a good grip on it, rather quickly disabling any other strategy it could use and limiting it to desperately holding on in an attempt to bring the fox down. Foxes aren't limited on killing capabilities, they have eliminated similar sized domestic cats from their life before with a few bites and scratches, the Raccoon has even less options than the latter, as it is more compacted, less long, and most importantly, less well armed. |
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| Vivec | Jun 29 2013, 02:29 AM Post #53 |
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![]() I'd also suggest this picture a better comparison photo for the title, the Fox in the OP looks unimpressive. |
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| FelinePowah | Jun 29 2013, 02:43 AM Post #54 |
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The op picture is a far more impressive Fox.... Oh and just to add foxes don't take out domestic cats of a similar size. But in this fight I'd back the Fox.. Raccoons are overrated. |
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| Vivec | Jun 29 2013, 03:32 AM Post #55 |
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While I would question the case of six foxes killing a domestic cat, considering they aren't seen in a pack as much as other canids, but you can't dismiss every claim of a Red Fox killing a cat on the internet, even if the Red Fox is bigger, it's still impressive for a weak boned vulpine like that. A Red Fox and Cat of similar size would do enough damage to each other to warn them off, as I couldn't make a definite winner out. Neither are good representitives of their respective clades. As for the OP picture, how is it a better example of a Red Fox? It's extremely short legged, probably a small American Vixen if anything. |
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| ImperialDino | Jun 29 2013, 03:51 PM Post #56 |
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A raccoon would growl and hiss at a coyote, wouldn't hardly kill it. |
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| k9boy | Jun 29 2013, 05:02 PM Post #57 |
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If 60lb coonhounds have a hard time killing raccoons, why would a fox succeed? |
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| FelinePowah | Jun 29 2013, 06:42 PM Post #58 |
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The op picture looks like a euro fox, I think it looks rather solid your pic looks like an American fox, seems rather slender to me. |
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| Vivec | Jun 29 2013, 08:15 PM Post #59 |
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It's probably because the OP Red Fox has shorter limbs, making it look more robust, Euro foxes are generally taller, as I have yet to see one below 40cm tall at the shoulder. ![]() Here's a British Red Fox example, rather rangy, tall structure, still smaller in height and weight than the Middle Russian. |
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| Vivec | Jun 29 2013, 10:44 PM Post #60 |
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Pet Collies don't apparently. Edited by Vivec, Jun 29 2013, 10:44 PM.
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