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Red Fox v Common Raccoon
Topic Started: Apr 10 2012, 10:22 PM (20,540 Views)
Taipan
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Red Fox - Vulpes vulpes
The red fox (Vulpes vulpes) is the largest of the true foxes, as well as being the most geographically spread member of the Carnivora, being distributed across the entire northern hemisphere from the Arctic Circle to North Africa, Central America and the steppes of Asia. Its range has increased alongside human expansion, having been introduced to Australia, where it is considered harmful to native mammal and bird populations. Red foxes have elongated bodies and relatively short limbs. The tail, which is longer than half the body length (70% of head and body length), is long, fluffy and reaches the ground when in a standing position. Red foxes are the largest species of the genus Vulpes. However, relative to dimensions, red foxes are much lighter than similarly sized dogs of the Canis genus. Their limb bones, for example, weigh 30% less per unit area of bone than expected for similarly sized dogs. They display significant individual, sexual, age and geographical variation in size. On average, adults measure 35–50 cm (14–20 in) high at the shoulder and 45 to 90 cm (18 to 35 in) in body length with tails measuring 30 to 63 in (760 to 1,600 mm). The ears measure 7.7–12.5 cm (3–5 in) and the hind feet 12–18.5 cm (5–7 in). They weigh 2.2 to 14 kg (4.9 to 31 lb), with vixens typically weighing 15–20% less than males.

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Common Raccoon - Procyon lotor
The raccoon, Procyon lotor (sometimes spelled as 'racoon'), also known as the common raccoon, North American raccoon, northern raccoon and colloquially as coon, is a medium-sized mammal native to North America. The body weight of an adult raccoon varies considerably with habitat; it can range from 2 to 14 kilograms (4 to 30 lb), but is usually between 3.5 and 9 kilograms (8 and 20 lb). The smallest specimens are found in Southern Florida, while those near the northern limits of the raccoon's range tend to be the largest. Males are usually 15 to 20% heavier than females. At the beginning of winter, a raccoon can weigh twice as much as in spring because of fat storage. It is one of the most variably sized of all mammals. The largest recorded wild raccoon weighed 28.4 kg (62.6 lb) and measured 140 cm (55 in) in total length, by far the largest size recorded for a procyonid. The raccoon is usually nocturnal and is omnivorous, with a diet consisting of about 40% invertebrates, 33% plant foods, and 27% vertebrates. It has a grayish coat, of which almost 90% is dense underfur, which insulates against cold weather. Two of its most distinctive features are its extremely dexterous front paws and its facial mask, which are themes in the mythology of several Native American tribes. Raccoons are noted for their intelligence, with studies showing that they are able to remember the solution to tasks up to three years later.

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zombie
Apr 10 2012, 01:37 AM
racoon vs red fox
Edited by Taipan, Jul 20 2012, 08:30 PM.
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Ur ready 4 Freddy, butt f*cked bi Foxy
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poison
Dec 30 2012, 08:57 AM
here is a coyote vs a baby coon if that was a dog fox it would die again u guys are idiots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVIV9Cv6ro


another coyote and 2 baby coons if that was 2 baby foxes or even a pair of foxes the coyote would have killed them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EVbnWubVjI

a coyote wolf mix and an adult coon how stupid are you kids? go get educated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vaA-a13Ls

Coywolves and coyotes get their courage as top predators in pairs or small packs alone they are not going to take on something like this ever.
how stupid can you be? by itself even a coywolf wont dare mess with a big boar coon it will kill any fox no matter how big the fox is. Foxes are easy kills.
THey will attack and kill domestic cats and dogs because many are just so stupid and poor fighters make easy targets. A wild animal is a whole new ballgame specially a large experienced male.
Calling members morons and idiots is a bit harsh don't you think :huh: ?
I choose raccoon
Edited by Honey Badger, Jun 27 2013, 09:23 AM.
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raccoon wins. they are aggressive and have sharp claws while foxes don't use claws as weapons.
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k9boy
Apr 11 2012, 04:51 AM
Ive seen both animals quite close up, ive also seen both animals fight against dogs, it takes dogs a while to kill a coon, while killing a fox is a piece of cake.
That doesn't mean anything, a Coon has more individual flexibility and ferocity than a Fox, and is still more trouble to kill than a Coyote for most dogs, so does that mean a Coon will kill a Coyote in a face-to-face fight?

Here's an example of a dog easily killing a Raccoon anyway, and it's a pet Collie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=227T-1eigZY

Not posting links in case of ban, but it's quite clear they aren't going to be killing a male Red Fox with any relative ease, at the very least.
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Not sure what the raccoon is capable of but I´ve seen an adult red fox kill a young deer/fawn like a month ago when I´ve been out in the woods. It literally jumped over a narrow creek and caught/killed the deer in seconds. Felt sorry for it. Anyways... Them red foxes are very capable predators.
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This is a relevant pic, it shows a raccoon chasing off a fox at a bait station, shows a comparison between the two:

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Nice picture. The raccoon seems to have a solid build.
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Apr 12 2012, 10:45 AM
I like the fox more, but a coon is just to much for it. Coons can take a horrible beating is the attacker is neither relentless of skilled in securing a skull or throat bite. The tables can easily turn for the worse for the fox the longer the fight goes on. Ironic as the canid usually hops superior when it comes to stamina.
The fox on the other hand is more fragile but possess the better bite force and teeth.

This is a fight where I would consider the raccoons limbs to be useful and the trump card of the fight. Unlike terriers that just muscle and shove into battle, or small felines that can claw and rake; the fox will not being using its limbs much aside from dodging and weaving.
When the fight gets tough and physical the coon can take the beating and bring enough damage to the fight to leave the fox to wounded to fight or crippled, perhaps outright dead.


That's a possibility, but the Raccoon isn't a good killer itself, Red Foxes have taken much more beating trying to kill a small Deer alone and the Raccoon can only take as much damage as any other animal its size can. They are smaller in height and stature than the average

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Ere's an image from BigCatsinSussex.com, a small deer killed by a Red Fox, in which these idiots thought was a big cat. Vulpes vulpes are much more experienced killers than the Raccoon, which are at least more omnivorous than the vulpune. A Raccoon I can't imagine taking down a ungulate of that size with the same ease I imagine that the Foxes more powerful skull it capable of accomplishing.

And not to make any sudden decisions, but the Raccoon probably couldn't utilize its limbs in the same way a lot of larger animals could, as they have a lack of wide, bulky arms and a overall compacted stature. I think it would simply be holding on in the case that the Red Fox got a good grip on it, rather quickly disabling any other strategy it could use and limiting it to desperately holding on in an attempt to bring the fox down.

Foxes aren't limited on killing capabilities, they have eliminated similar sized domestic cats from their life before with a few bites and scratches, the Raccoon has even less options than the latter, as it is more compacted, less long, and most importantly, less well armed.

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I'd also suggest this picture a better comparison photo for the title, the Fox in the OP looks unimpressive.
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Vivec
Jun 29 2013, 02:29 AM
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I'd also suggest this picture a better comparison photo for the title, the Fox in the OP looks unimpressive.
The op picture is a far more impressive Fox.... Oh and just to add foxes don't take out domestic cats of a similar size. But in this fight I'd back the Fox.. Raccoons are overrated.
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Jun 29 2013, 02:43 AM
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Jun 29 2013, 02:29 AM
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I'd also suggest this picture a better comparison photo for the title, the Fox in the OP looks unimpressive.
The op picture is a far more impressive Fox.... Oh and just to add foxes don't take out domestic cats of a similar size. But in this fight I'd back the Fox.. Raccoons are overrated.
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Urban foxes are attacking and killing pet cats because they are struggling to find enough food to eat in British towns and cities.
Cat owners have reported an increasing number of attacks and pest control specialists say that the use of wheelie bins, rather than bin bags, for rubbish disposal is partly to blame because it has deprived many foxes of an easy source of food.

Gordon Manson, a pest controller from Balerno, near Edinburgh, says that the number of fox-related calls he receives has doubled. "The population has got out of hand and because of wheelie bins they are no longer able to find their regular supply of food," he said.
"Now they are moving on to pets. I have done jobs where I have turned up to find a cat's head in the garden. I've had about 40 to 60 calls from people bothered by foxes over the past year and usually it is more like 20 to 30."

Janet MacPhail, a 57-year-old nurse from Edinburgh, was recently woken in the night by screams coming from her garden. "We found a pack of six foxes attacking our cat, Clover. We managed to chase the foxes away, but she was badly mauled and had one eye missing, so we were forced to put her down.

"We feel that foxes are a pest and steps should be taken to keep them under control, but we spoke with the our local council who told us they had no policy on controlling urban foxes," she said.

Mike Hall, a veterinary surgeon at the Braid Veterinary Hospital where Clover was put down, said that he was dealing with a growing number of cats with fox-related injuries. "We have been seeing more examples of cats with fox bites recently, whereas 10 years ago it was unheard of," he said.
"I had one client who woke early one morning to find a fox chasing her cat around the dining room, having got in through the catflap. Foxes are becoming braver in what they will look for as prey."

Bob Drinkwater, a community centre manager from Stamford Hill, north London, recently saved Mica, his tabby cat, from a vicious fox attack. "Luckily I managed to frighten the fox off, but it had taken a large bite out of Mica's back legs, for which she needed stitches and anti-biotics. I had always heard that foxes don't attack cats, but clearly they do and need to be kept under control."

Kevin Stanley, a chef from Bexleyheath in Kent, who saw his cat being killed by two foxes, called for a cull. "Urban foxes should be exterminated and I would support any humane way of getting rid of them. It won't be long before a tragedy involving a child occurs because foxes are so daring now," he said.

The Countryside Alliance also called for stricter controls on the fox population. A spokesman said: "Now the fox is also an urban force, more must be done to ensure the population does not spiral out of control, because the impact on pets would be severe."

A spokesman for the Cats Protection League said its members were increasingly concerned about fox attacks on their pets. "While we still consider cars to be a greater threat, we are taking more calls from members who are worried about fox attacks," she said. "Our advice is to make sure cats are kept indoors at night."

Out of a total fox population of 240,000, approximately 35,000 animals are urban foxes. Although road accidents and disease are thought to kill off half of the adult animals every year, the urban population shows no sign of diminishing.

Stephen Harris, a professor of environmental science at Bristol University, said, however, that increasing fox attacks on domestic cats was an "urban myth".
"I have studied the behaviour of urban foxes for more than 35 years and have yet to see one attack a cat," he said. "Foxes are solitary by nature, so anybody claiming to have seen a pack of foxes attacking their cat is simply talking rubbish."
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said that it had no plans to start culling foxes in urban areas.


While I would question the case of six foxes killing a domestic cat, considering they aren't seen in a pack as much as other canids, but you can't dismiss every claim of a Red Fox killing a cat on the internet, even if the Red Fox is bigger, it's still impressive for a weak boned vulpine like that. A Red Fox and Cat of similar size would do enough damage to each other to warn them off, as I couldn't make a definite winner out. Neither are good representitives of their respective clades.


As for the OP picture, how is it a better example of a Red Fox? It's extremely short legged, probably a small American Vixen if anything.
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Dec 29 2012, 09:17 AM
this is so stupid a big boar coon would kill a coyote
A raccoon would growl and hiss at a coyote, wouldn't hardly kill it.

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If 60lb coonhounds have a hard time killing raccoons, why would a fox succeed?
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Jun 29 2013, 03:32 AM



As for the OP picture, how is it a better example of a Red Fox? It's extremely short legged, probably a small American Vixen if anything.
The op picture looks like a euro fox, I think it looks rather solid your pic looks like an American fox, seems rather slender to me.
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Jun 29 2013, 06:42 PM
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Jun 29 2013, 03:32 AM



As for the OP picture, how is it a better example of a Red Fox? It's extremely short legged, probably a small American Vixen if anything.
The op picture looks like a euro fox, I think it looks rather solid your pic looks like an American fox, seems rather slender to me.
It's probably because the OP Red Fox has shorter limbs, making it look more robust, Euro foxes are generally taller, as I have yet to see one below 40cm tall at the shoulder.

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Here's a British Red Fox example, rather rangy, tall structure, still smaller in height and weight than the Middle Russian.
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k9boy
Jun 29 2013, 05:02 PM
If 60lb coonhounds have a hard time killing raccoons, why would a fox succeed?
Pet Collies don't apparently.
Edited by Vivec, Jun 29 2013, 10:44 PM.
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