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African Lion v Baurusuchus
Topic Started: Apr 10 2012, 10:42 PM (13,333 Views)
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African Lion - Panthera leo
The lion (Panthera leo) is one of the four big cats in the genus Panthera, and a member of the family Felidae. With some males exceeding 250 kg (550 lb) in weight, it is the second-largest living cat after the tiger. Wild lions currently exist in Sub-Saharan Africa and in Asia with an endangered remnant population in Gir Forest National Park in India, having disappeared from North Africa and Southwest Asia in historic times. Until the late Pleistocene, about 10,000 years ago, the lion was the most widespread large land mammal after humans. They were found in most of Africa, across Eurasia from western Europe to India, and in the Americas from the Yukon to Peru. The lion is a vulnerable species, having seen a possibly irreversible population decline of thirty to fifty percent over the past two decades in its African range. The African lion is a very large cat, with males weighing between 330 and 550 pounds and females weighing between 260 and 400 pounds. It is 8 to 10 feet long, not including the tail. Its most famous feature is its mane, which only male lions have. The mane is a yellow color when the lion is young and darkens with age. Eventually, the mane will be dark brown. The body of the African lion is well suited for hunting. It is very muscular, with back legs designed for pouncing and front legs made for grabbing and knocking down prey. It also has very strong jaws that enable it to eat the large prey that it hunts.

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Baurusuchus pachechoi
Baurusuchus is an extinct genus of baurusuchid mesoeucrocodylian from the Late Cretaceous of Brazil. It was a terrestrial predator and scavenger, about 3.5 to 4 meters long. Baurusuchus lived during the Turonian to Santonian stages (90-83.5 million years ago) of the Late Cretaceous Period, in Adamantina Formation, Brazil. It gets its name from the Brazilian Bauru Group ("Bauru crocodile"). It was related to the earlier-named Cynodontosuchus rothi, which was smaller, with weaker dentition (Bonaparte, 1996). The three species are B. pachechoi (Price, 1945), B. salgadoensis (Carvalho et al., 2005) (named after General Salgado County in São Paulo, Brazil) and B. albertoi (Nascimento & Zaher, 2010) (named after Dr. Alberto Barbosa de Carvalho, Brazilian paleontologist). Its relatives include the similarly-sized Stratiotosuchus from the Adamantina Formation, and Pabweshi, from the Pakistani Pab Formation. Prehistoric crocodiles weren't necessarily restricted to river environments; the fact is that these ancient reptiles could be every bit as diverse as their dinosaur cousins when it came to their habitats and lifestyles. Baurusuchus is an excellent example; this South American crocodile, which lived during the middle-to-late Cretaceous period, possessed long, dog-like legs and a heavy, powerful skull with the nostrils placed on the end, indications that it actively prowled the early pampas rather than snapping at prey from bodies of water. By the way, the similarity of Baurusuchus to another land-dwelling crocodile from Pakistan is further proof that the Indian subcontinent was once joined to the giant southern continent of Gondwana. Size and Weight: About 12 feet long and 500 pounds

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Eotyrannus
Apr 10 2012, 08:28 AM
Lion VS. Baurosuchus, please.
Edited by Taipan, Jul 11 2017, 12:26 PM.
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The claws won't help for anything, and I fail to see a Lion doing any kind of damage to this animal. Its teeth won't slice it apart, they aren't knives. Baurusuchus will have an easier time at causing damage to its foe.
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Hatzegopteryx
Feb 24 2014, 10:57 PM
The claws won't help for anything, and I fail to see a Lion doing any kind of damage to this animal. Its teeth won't slice it apart, they aren't knives. Baurusuchus will have an easier time at causing damage to its foe.
I don't know, I'm pretty split. The Nauruan his has a potent jaw and armor, but the lion has better agility and the smaller leopard sometimes takes on similar sized crocodiles.
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@Hatzegopteryx are you talking about houdini or about that reptile? please don't make it sound like that reptile is made from titanium against a lion that's made of egg shells and may fall apart at any moment. it's ridiculous! a 200 lbs jaguar can kill a caiman larger than itself and heavily armored similar to the reptile here. the claws will allow the lion to hold on after leaping onto its opponent's back and then it can bite the neck or head. a lion have long canines and can bite with around 700-850 psi of force. that's more than enough to pierce the reptile's skin. and the lion appears to be more stable beside being agile. it definitely has a good chance to win. this is close to 50/50
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@Mechafire: Leopards kill small Crocodiles, show me one killing a similarly-sized one. Also, they are flat on the ground, they aren't similar to this animal.

@Crxgalaxy: Coming from the one who thinks those canines can kill a similarly-sized Baurusuchus. This ISN'T a Caiman, it is somewhat the equivalent of a Crocodile built to walk on land. It is pretty agile, it is around the size of a large male Lion. You did support a similarly-sized Tiger being agile but then you think this animal is slow while it doesn't show any signs of not being agile. The Lion has hardly any advantages over its armoured opponent that probably has a stronger biteforce. If the Lion can pierce its teeth through this animal's armour that easily, why can't the opposite happen even easier? If anything, Baurusuchus/i] has the edge.
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yes the land croc have a strong bite and can pierce the lions hide but its no where as agile or athletic as a lion. it has armor and the lion has beter motor skills. like i said i dont favor the lion its just 50/50

a komodo dragon is a croc built to walk on land but it cant dream of moving like cats
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Hatzegopteryx
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Komodo Dragons have a different anatomy. Their legs are still not placed like this animal's legs, if you look at its legs they are not too far off from a Crocodile. And why wouldn't it be agile? It has a pretty robust body, thus meaning it doesn't have that much rotational inertia, so it can actually turn quickly (not saying quicker than a Lion), and it isn't as big as the largest Lion specimens, so it should still be pretty agile.
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a croc like animal will never ever be anywhere as agile as a cat stop posting this nonsense! u know better! u say its legs look like a croc's (which means they cant support it like the limbs of a cat) then u say it's agile? it's long body can't turn as effective as a lion. hell a lion can leap more than 15 feet! this reptile only dreams of such a feat
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And why do you think Baurusuchus is croc-like? It is only similar in a few aspects, but it has NOTHING to do with an extant crocodile. When did I say its legs looked like a Crocodile? They stand the body's mass in the exact same way its foe does. It IS agile, it weighs around 200kg and animals around this size are usually sufficiently agile.

I did never say it would turn quicker than a Lion can. I said I didn't before, but it has a compact body, which means it has less rotational inertia. If you have ever studied physics before, you'd know what that means.

Moreover, Baurusuchus had very impressive weaponry, and I bet the Lion wouldn't get out of its jaws after getting bitten.
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"if you look at its legs they are not too far off from a Crocodile" u said that man u r starting to confuse me. and if the lion latches onto this things back and bites the back of the head this reptile won't have a chance to try and get out.
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I was talking about the Komodo Dragon, if you read the post carefully. And how exactly is that going to kill it, anyway?
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you don't think a bite to the back of the skull will kill it? perhaps u really think it's houdini
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4r-1BnTXA

jag killing caiman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu1by5-BpTA

another one

here's a video of a lion bringing down a young elephant that can move better than this reptile on land with equally tough hide plus it's most likely more than 200 kg. and the lion isn't even a prime male

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp9EC4tS-Q0
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I'm not sure just how agile Baurusuchus was, but it certainly was more so than its closest living relatives.

I think this depends on if Baurusuchus really was 500 pounds (I think I know where that figure came from, and it's not reliable), and if really was as bulky as felipe-elias depicts it as. I think if it really was all that, it would be an even match.

I'm doubting both of these however.
Edited by Ausar, Feb 25 2014, 05:27 AM.
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Feb 25 2014, 04:40 AM
you don't think a bite to the back of the skull will kill it? perhaps u really think it's houdini
I didn't say skull, did I? You were originally saying it would get on its back and bite it, or something along those lines. Stop making things up to try to support your arguments.
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crxgalaxy, it's an Elephant, it doesn't bite. It smells like bias to me; Yesterday, you were simply placing Elephants as poorly-armed animals, but now you use them as examples of kill. Sure, that one could have been larger than 200kg, but does it bite? No. Also, if it's larger, how can it be move better? If you studie physics, you'd know that the heavier you are, the more force it requires you to move at a given speed.

I also said that Caimans aren't good comparisons, hence the fact their legs don't work the same way. And last but not least, those Caimans are far smaller than Jaguars, while the given figures for the combatants in this thread are at parity, basically.
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