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Domestic cats in a serious fight
Topic Started: Apr 29 2012, 04:03 PM (9,545 Views)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdJYw7GD3Q&feature=related

this fight i think they will both die



Here is female cats fighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgliFBxDTeo&feature=related

Female cats again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAoxNhijaI&feature=related
Edited by Ophiophagy, Apr 30 2012, 12:36 PM.
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JaM
Apr 29 2012, 09:46 PM
This is not representative of intra-species fighting among other wild felines, IMO.
Or even feral cats!

"Cat owners should be aware that feral cats have killed limited- and free- range cats."
Source : Feral Cats and their Management

The speed, agility and reflexes - notably the ability to achieve a dominant position in a 'blink of an eye' should always be considered in any match up. Notably against stiff bodied animals. The Jaguarundi v Mountain paca thread comes to mind - the Paca would find itself in a hopeless position before it knew whast happened to it against a cat that actually kills for a living..
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Apr 30 2012, 06:25 PM
JaM
Apr 29 2012, 09:46 PM
This is not representative of intra-species fighting among other wild felines, IMO.
Or even feral cats!

"Cat owners should be aware that feral cats have killed limited- and free- range cats."
Source : Feral Cats and their Management

The speed, agility and reflexes - notably the ability to achieve a dominant position in a 'blink of an eye' should always be considered in any match up. Notably against stiff bodied animals. The Jaguarundi v Mountain paca thread comes to mind - the Paca would find itself in a hopeless position before it knew whast happened to it against a cat that actually kills for a living..
I wouldn't say so, as cats (in intraspecific at least) fight on their side mainly against another lying opponent, so do mustelids. Dogs, bears and hyenas seem to fight upright and standing.
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How can you just laugh at a fight that very easily could have gone to the death......
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Apr 30 2012, 12:25 PM
domestic cats kill each other from infection like ive had cats if i did not take to the vet they would have died from infection of cat bite that got really really bad and nasty and they couldnt walk anymore not from blood loss or anything like that, no domestic cat fights are not like dog fights and no if you put your hand in certain breed dog fights they can turn and kill you a dometic cat is not going to kill you lol might hurt you and give u a nasty infection

Leopards do kill each other, and i think pumas do also id compare dogs to them.


The orange cat might have gotten it bad bitten in the rump he might get some bad bacteria infection and need treatment


Not the same as a dog fight which will bleed each other out. I have never heard of cats doing that. Adult cats will kill kittens. and a big cat might kill a small cat.
why do you always big up cats and insult dogs
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I think housecats cannot be taken as measure of felid fighting prowess. Wild cat species are far more aggressive and deadly. Anyway, the frequent interruptions probably aren't due to exhaustion but to a kind of ritualization and display occurring in many intraspecific cat fights. The famous lion vs tiger from the 'Big Cage' movie show that when they want cats can fight for prolonged time at very intensive pace. Of course it's a movie but the fight is no fake.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4318948967926803903#docid=-6902311227603109690
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May 1 2012, 03:51 AM
I think housecats cannot be taken as measure of felid fighting prowess. Wild cat species are far more aggressive and deadly. Anyway, the frequent interruptions probably aren't due to exhaustion but to a kind of ritualization and display occurring in many intraspecific cat fights. The famous lion vs tiger from the 'Big Cage' movie show that when they want cats can fight for prolonged time at very intensive pace. Of course it's a movie but the fight is no fake.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4318948967926803903#docid=-6902311227603109690
The video is useful for the smaller cats vs whatever topics, wild or otherwise. I don't believe they are much different, especially when referring to cats up to 20 pounds. Larger cats cause more damage a lot quicker and are another story.

I also don't agree that the cats were utterly exhausted after a few seconds. They have the ability to wrestle for control, pausing to see if the other is willing to back down. But they do possess less stamina when compared to canids. With an equally matched opponents, canids also pause for a moment to catch their breath, especially if they have a good hold.

Cats, no matter the size are very explosive. It appears they do exert a lot of energy in a manner of minutes. A lot could happen in a manner of minutes.
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Apr 30 2012, 11:37 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 10:17 AM
Yes, makes lengthy dog fights all the more impressive, after 20 seconds or so the cats need a rest. Also shows that the supposedly better killers struggle just as much as a dog when faced with an equal opponent
much more impressive. And domestic dogs can kill each other, something I haven't heard of in similar sized domestic cats.

When do domestic dogs kill each other in normal fights??

Unless they they are really un matched in breeds like jack russell vs bull mastiff

And the damage that domestic dogs can put out is very minimal.
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May 1 2012, 04:41 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 11:37 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 10:17 AM
Yes, makes lengthy dog fights all the more impressive, after 20 seconds or so the cats need a rest. Also shows that the supposedly better killers struggle just as much as a dog when faced with an equal opponent
much more impressive. And domestic dogs can kill each other, something I haven't heard of in similar sized domestic cats.

When do domestic dogs kill each other in normal fights??

Unless they they are really un matched in breeds like jack russell vs bull mastiff

And the damage that domestic dogs can put out is very minimal.
It's not uncommon for feral cats to have fights almost EVERYDAY and never die from cat fights. If "feral Jack Russell Terriers" were on the loose like feral cats I can assure that the death rate from fights would be much higher. Rodent Hunter weaponry doesn't cause much damage.
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May 1 2012, 08:27 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 11:37 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 10:17 AM
Yes, makes lengthy dog fights all the more impressive, after 20 seconds or so the cats need a rest. Also shows that the supposedly better killers struggle just as much as a dog when faced with an equal opponent
much more impressive. And domestic dogs can kill each other, something I haven't heard of in similar sized domestic cats.

When do domestic dogs kill each other in normal fights??

Unless they they are really un matched in breeds like jack russell vs bull mastiff

And the damage that domestic dogs can put out is very minimal.
It's not uncommon for feral cats to have fights almost EVERYDAY and never die from cat fights. If "feral Jack Russell Terriers" were on the loose like feral cats I can assure that the death rate from fights would be much higher. Rodent Hunter weaponry doesn't cause much damage.

Try playing with a feral cat and then we can see how crap there rodent hunting weapons are :D
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Apr 30 2012, 11:37 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 10:17 AM
Yes, makes lengthy dog fights all the more impressive, after 20 seconds or so the cats need a rest. Also shows that the supposedly better killers struggle just as much as a dog when faced with an equal opponent
much more impressive. And domestic dogs can kill each other, something I haven't heard of in similar sized domestic cats.

When do domestic dogs kill each other in normal fights??

Unless they they are really un matched in breeds like jack russell vs bull mastiff

And the damage that domestic dogs can put out is very minimal.
Tell people who have had to take their pets to the vet from attacks from other dogs that the damage is very minimal.
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May 1 2012, 04:41 AM
When do domestic dogs kill each other in normal fights??

Unless they they are really un matched in breeds like jack russell vs bull mastiff

And the damage that domestic dogs can put out is very minimal.
In a serious fights involving hunting and fighting breeds can readily lead to the death.
Body signals and submitting are natural ways canids avoid such serious scenarios, the vast majority of dogs utilize this which is why fights to the death or very serious is not a common occurrence.

Dogs can produce a significant amount of damage, enough to cause the death of another individual.
You can pit two apbts, and other fighting breeds together and the end result can easily be death. Dog fighters don't want their dogs to die for the most part and separation is done to save the loosing dog.

Of course there is not need to explain anything to you because nothing gets through to you. I could (hypothetically) show a video of a fight between two fighting dogs that result in death under 2 minutes literally but you would just blow it off and re-post your earlier nonsense.

Dogs being unable to kill each other or being poor killers is a misnomer. Certainly they posses the ability to severely injure each other without the factor of infections.
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real big dog fights specially female are way worse than domestic cat fights but you dont see it happen much


I dont think i have seen two small dogs fight each other for real before
Edited by Ophiophagy, May 1 2012, 11:56 AM.
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May 1 2012, 11:51 AM
real big dog fights specially female are way worse than domestic cat fights but you dont see it happen much


I dont think i have seen two small dogs fight each other for real before
patterdale and other terriers have killed each other or similar sized breeds, either it be a pet dog or a fellow working dog. They are stubborn and serious dogs don't always make use of the canid body language used for submission. Both dogs will viciously fight for dominance and due to their nature, both refusing to submit until one stops fighting, esteemed exhaustion or death. Luckily there is a reason why terriers are often kenneled separately so these scenarios usually involved the more inexperienced person who keeps multiple dogs together.
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May 1 2012, 11:31 AM
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May 1 2012, 04:41 AM
When do domestic dogs kill each other in normal fights??

Unless they they are really un matched in breeds like jack russell vs bull mastiff

And the damage that domestic dogs can put out is very minimal.
In a serious fights involving hunting and fighting breeds can readily lead to the death.
Body signals and submitting are natural ways canids avoid such serious scenarios, the vast majority of dogs utilize this which is why fights to the death or very serious is not a common occurrence.

Dogs can produce a significant amount of damage, enough to cause the death of another individual.
You can pit two apbts, and other fighting breeds together and the end result can easily be death. Dog fighters don't want their dogs to die for the most part and separation is done to save the loosing dog.

Of course there is not need to explain anything to you because nothing gets through to you. I could (hypothetically) show a video of a fight between two fighting dogs that result in death under 2 minutes literally but you would just blow it off and re-post your earlier nonsense.

Dogs being unable to kill each other or being poor killers is a misnomer. Certainly they posses the ability to severely injure each other without the factor of infections.
Post away 1 on 1 accounts of intraspecific wild canine species killing each other then.
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