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| Spotted Hyena / Leopard Account compilation; Including the full story behind the 'Leopard kill' image! | |
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| Kurtz | Sep 14 2012, 04:30 AM Post #61 |
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If i remember well some documentary, spotted hyenas in kruger are in clan of in @ 15 individuals. Can you confirm this? Edited by Kurtz, Sep 14 2012, 04:43 AM.
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| chui | Sep 14 2012, 04:34 AM Post #62 |
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Canidae, I doubt the upper limit for Kruger hyenas is only 165lbs (75kg) as suggested by Pienaar. Smuts gives the weight for one particularly large hyena from Kruger as 88kg, and the average for adult females and males in the park as 65kg ad 61kg. I suspect these weights are adjusted for stomach content since Smuts had calibrated the weights of lions he weighed. For comparison, Bailey gives an average of 58.2kg for 3 young adult male leopards and 63.1kg for 5 old adult males from Kruger. A little further south in the KwaZulu Natal province, the average for 10 young adult males was 66kg and of 4 mature adult males was 72.3kg. In the second study I think the weights are a little inflated due to the use of baits for capture, the weights seem a little high for the corresponding body measurements (chest girth etc.) and it's probably safe to subtract about 5kg. Bailey also used baited cage traps to capture his leopards, but he captured the same individuals several times (males were captured an average of 5 times each) which seems to have allowed him to calibrate for stomach content somewhat. For example, he says the two largest males he captured weighed 70kg with lean stomachs. Though even when stomach content is considered the KwaZulu Natal sample still suggests higher weights compared to Kruger. I'm not sure why that would be since the two regions are quite similar. But in any case, the average weights for fully adult male leopards and adult female hyenas in this region are comparable at around 65kg. Also note, according to Pienaar male leopards in Kruger "seldom exceed 130lbs (~60kg)" so clearly somethings not right with his numbers. As per the account of the leopard chasing off the mother hyena, I've haven't been able to find it lately but it was from the Londolozi website a few years back and it had been posted on one these forums (not sure where). Key parts I remember were that a female hyena who had cubs nearby had stolen the unattended kill of a leopard. Once the leopard came back he aggressively took his kill back and the hyena ran off. The leopard was described as being one of the largest in the region, perhaps the Cam Pan male but this may have been before his time. Edited by chui, Sep 14 2012, 04:35 AM.
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| Kurtz | Sep 14 2012, 04:45 AM Post #63 |
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I remember an answer of Guy balme on Fb, he put leopard in kruger btwn 60-70 kilos similar in KZN exculding some exetpion |
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| Kurtz | Sep 16 2012, 08:35 PM Post #64 |
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Idube Game Reserve:" The leopard that fought with a hyena was the Maxabeni 3:3 young male, he is fine but this turned out not to be the hyena in question, this one was fatally wounded by other hyenas in the same area that the leopard was seen". Edited by Kurtz, Sep 16 2012, 08:37 PM.
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| Canidae | Sep 16 2012, 09:06 PM Post #65 |
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I got the same reply. It makes sense with the wound after all, look at severe conflicts between hyaenas and they target one another's heads often. Interesting that it was a Maxabeni Young male who fought another hyaena, who also killed a hyaena cub. Maybe if he becomes a large male he could potentially be a hyaena killer like male M23 in Bailey's book. Edited by Canidae, Sep 16 2012, 09:07 PM.
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| Kurtz | Sep 16 2012, 09:19 PM Post #66 |
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Surely he was only 2 years old e became interact with hyenas. he is gaining experience in this kind of interact. So a very important factor could be the character and experience with individuals of other species. But this would confirm my suspicion: if we think of a stand off between maxabene and hyena with whom he interacted in nesxt two or more years for example. Two individuals who know each other. |
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| ManEater | Sep 17 2012, 06:54 PM Post #67 |
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I don't understant the story, so why they show a shot of a dead hyena with commentary of a leopard killing her if it's not a leopard, i don't undertsand the thing??? Maybe i have missed something.(i don't understand all the english language) |
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| Kurtz | Sep 17 2012, 09:17 PM Post #68 |
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They wrong. The hyena was killed by other hyenas. While there was a fight btwn a leopard and an other hyena in same area. Leopard is fine and i don't know the hyena, i think the hyena survived. |
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| Kurtz | Sep 17 2012, 09:20 PM Post #69 |
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At least is the case to delete that pic of dead hyena in this topic |
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| ManEater | Sep 18 2012, 03:20 AM Post #70 |
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OK, thank you, so the guy who post this shot with the commentary in facebook is a lyer.(at least he was too fast in his assertions) |
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| Canidae | Oct 7 2012, 08:47 PM Post #71 |
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![]() This leopard had had enough of the hyena and decided to chase him away. They were running so fast that they ran out of my view! http://www.kruger-2-kalahari.com/leopard-chasing-hyena.html Skinniest hyaena I've ever seen. ^ ------------------- ![]() ![]() Brief photo confrontation, no other info but great quality pictures. http://www.pbase.com/light_works/south_africa ------------------- ![]() http://www.deliacamp.com/html/luangwa_i.html In North Luangwa, Zambia. Edited by Canidae, Oct 8 2012, 03:02 AM.
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| Kurtz | Oct 7 2012, 09:16 PM Post #72 |
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the second and third pic are not visible
Edited by Kurtz, Oct 7 2012, 09:16 PM.
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| Canidae | Oct 8 2012, 03:00 AM Post #73 |
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I'll put the links in. A new video, of a brief skirmish over a kill with some physical contact : http://vimeo.com/49591614 No idea how to put a vimeo film on here though.
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| Kurtz | Oct 8 2012, 04:24 AM Post #74 |
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Some info on place where filmed? And what said the ranger/guide at min. 00:14? Edited by Kurtz, Oct 8 2012, 08:11 AM.
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| Kurtz | Oct 8 2012, 10:27 PM Post #75 |
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Cyberdiary – 12 June 2012, PART II Posted by MalaMala in CyberDiary on Jun 13th, 2012 ![]() What a treat today! Not one, but two Cyberdiaries! This particular scene, mentioned briefly in the Cyberdiary posted earlier today, was too good not to share with you – albeit it later than the primary entry due to the firebreak burning. While on safari early this week, one of our rangers spotted an elephant bull to the west of Buffalo Bush Dam. The young male seemed to be in great discomfort, and upon further investigation it was discovered that his left front leg was badly infected just above the foot. It is devastating that in such cases the probable cause of the wound is almost always the result of a man-made snare. This young elephant bull had obviously fallen victim to the snare, but had managed to break free of it by sheer virtue of his mammoth size. But in so doing the wire had cut into his leg causing the infection. By the time we found him, the poor animal could barely move and his leg had swollen to double its normal size. As MalaMala’s policy dictates that we will only intervene in the course of nature if man is responsible, we called in the vets from the Kruger National Park. After closer inspection, the only viable solution was to put the hapless creature out of its misery. ![]() The carcass of the elephant lay untouched in the bush for a few days. The first predator at the scene was a hooded vulture. Ironically, despite being in the front of the queue and ahead of the pack, the raptor will probably be the last to eat as the elephant’s thick hide prevented it from being able to reach the innards. The first of MalaMala’s big predators to make an appearance was the West Street male leopard (formally known as the unidentified young male from around West Street). This impressive young cat could probably not believe his luck when he stumbled upon the veritable bounty of flesh, free of any form of competition. He immediately tucked into the feast, and enjoyed a relatively peaceful few hours before he was joined by a hyena. A single hyena versus a young male leopard will usually result in a fairly vicious interaction, but with so much food on offer this was not to be (why get into a fight and risk injury when there is more than enough meat to go around?) What did ensue was a game of ‘tit-for-tat’. The one would feed until chased off the kill when the other came charging in. A bit of growling and snarling would follow before the two would swap places. This continued for some time until the balance of power shifted in the hyena’s favour when six of its re-inforcements arrived, changing the dynamics completely. Over the next few days, a similar scene repeated itself over and over again. The 6 hyenas would gorge themselves on the carcass. The West Street male would sit and watch from a safe distance before inching closer. The hyenas would turn on the leopard. The leopard would scamper up the nearest tree. And so it went, quite like Ground Hog Day. ![]() The leopard’s patience and perseverance would occasionally pay off when the hyenas would temporarily leave the carcass to either return to their den, or to get a drink of water. These short windows of opportunity enabled The West Street male to satisfy himself before his arch rivals returned. As this account is penned the stand off continues. And considering the fact that there is still a mass of meat remaining, it does not seem as if an end is in sight. Ground Hog Day continues. We will keep you posted… The MalaMala Ranger Team |
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