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| Dhole (Asiatic Wild Dog) v Staffordshire Bull Terrier | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 15 2012, 09:32 PM (9,047 Views) | |
| Taipan | May 15 2012, 09:32 PM Post #1 |
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Dhole (Asiatic Wild Dog) - Cuon alpinus The dhole (Cuon alpinus) is a species of canid native to South and Southeast Asia. It is the only extant member of the genus Cuon, which differs from Canis by the reduced number of molars and greater number of teats. The dholes are classed as endangered by the IUCN, due to ongoing habitat loss, depletion of its prey base, competition from other predators, persecution and possibly diseases from domestic and feral dogs. The dhole is a highly social animal, living in large clans which occasionally split up into small packs to hunt.[3] It primarily preys on medium-sized ungulates, which it hunts by tiring them out in long chases, and kills by disemboweling them. Unlike most social canids (but similar to African wild dogs), dholes let their pups eat first at a kill. Though fearful of humans, dhole packs are bold enough to attack large and dangerous animals such as wild boar, water buffalo, and even tigers. Prey animals in India include chital, sambar, muntjac, mouse deer, swamp deer, wild boar, gaur, water buffalo, banteng, cattle, nilgai, goats, Indian hares, Himalayan field rats and langurs. They are smaller than African wild dogs. Weight ranges from 10 to 25 kg (22 to 55 lb), with males averaging about 4.5 kg (9.9 lb) heavier. This dog is 88 to 113 cm (35 to 44 in) long from the snout to the base of the tail, with the tail averaging 45 cm (18 in) in length. Shoulder height is 42 to 55 cm (17 to 22 in). ![]() Staffordshire Bull Terrier The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (informally: Staffie, Stafford, Staffy or Staff) is a medium-sized, short-coated, old-time breed of dog. It is an English dog, where it is the 5th most popular breed, and related to the bull terrier. Having descended from dog-fighting ancestors, it is muscular and courageous. It is the subject of breed specific legislation in some jurisdictions. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, stocky, and very muscular dog with strong athletic ability, with a similar appearance to the American Staffordshire terrier and American pit bull terriers sharing the same ancestor. They have a broad head (male considerably more than female), defined occipital muscles, a relatively short foreface, dark round eyes and a wide mouth with a clean scissor-like bite (the top incisors slightly overlap the bottom incisors). The ears are small. The cheek muscles are very pronounced. Their lips show no looseness. From above, the head loosely resembles a triangle. The head tapers down to a strong well-muscled neck and shoulders placed on squarely spaced forelimbs. They are tucked up in their loins and the last 1-2 ribs of their ribcage are usually visible. Their tail resembles an old fashioned pump handle. Their hind quarters are well-muscled and are what give the Stafford drive when baiting. They are coloured brindle, black, red, fawn, blue, white, or any blending of these colors with white. White with any other colour broken up over the body is known as pied. Liver-colored, black and tan dogs can occur but are rare. The coat is smooth and clings tightly to the body giving the dog a streamlined appearance.The dogs stand 36 to 42 cm (14 to 17 in) at the withers and weigh 14 to 18 kg (31 to 40 lb) for males; bitches are 11 to 15.4 kg (24 to 34 lb). ![]() |
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| k9boy | May 15 2012, 09:42 PM Post #2 |
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Staffy takes this, much better fighter and very powerful. If the dhole does not retreat it will be overwhelmed and killed. |
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| Homotherium | May 15 2012, 09:52 PM Post #3 |
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Depends of staffy. Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier takes this. This is game dog, like APBT.
Edited by Homotherium, May 15 2012, 09:52 PM.
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| Sicilianu | May 16 2012, 01:26 AM Post #4 |
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I support the dhole. This is the most impressive canine killer in my opinion. They also are the most "game" of wild canids, taking on even tigers with heavy, heavy loss. |
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| FelinePowah | May 16 2012, 02:15 AM Post #5 |
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Thats if those stories are to be believed |
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| Bull and Terrier | May 16 2012, 02:25 AM Post #6 |
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Staffy takes this. |
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| Canidae | May 16 2012, 03:08 AM Post #7 |
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I agree with F.P, the very old stories from hunters about 20 + Dholes taking on a Tiger who decimates them with paw swipes but eventully succumbing is B.S, though reports of from A.) Pocock and one posted by Reddhole in the Journal of Bombay Natural History that feature treed Tigers being mauled by waiting Dhole packs below are more recent, have better zoological jargon and are more believable. Regarding this fight, the S.B.T is pretty variable. If one of the shorter, stubbier-legged ones it wouldn't have the limb length, height or mobility to contend with the highly agile Dhole. Even so a good Staffie would be outclassed in agility as it is. At parity with 2 good animals it's 50 / 50 with maybe an edge to th Dhole. |
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| Sicilianu | May 16 2012, 03:42 AM Post #8 |
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Perhaps lycaon can make a comparison. Let us not forget that northern dholes are larger then the subtropical types we are most used to seeing. |
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| Icestorm | May 16 2012, 03:44 AM Post #9 |
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I always thought it was odd to factor in "gameness" in these topics, since we already assume neither animal is going to wholly retreat. I'm usually inclined to support dogs over non-wolf canids at parity, though, I'm starting to reconsider that approach in light of recent reports that reveal pitbull-type dogs to be more physically vulnerable than their advocates were previously willing to admit. Against other carnivores that know how use their weaponry to full effectiveness, there's a good chance to dog can be killed outright or very quickly. I think I back the dhole here. Edited by Icestorm, May 16 2012, 03:45 AM.
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| Canidae | May 16 2012, 03:46 AM Post #10 |
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Why so? |
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| Icestorm | May 16 2012, 04:08 AM Post #11 |
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Usually they have larger skulls and body mass. Obviously there is the problem of inexperience and tactical incompetence on the dog's part, but an experienced dog can close that gap (not completely, though). Like I said, though, reports of coyotes killing much larger dogs or leaving them with wounds that required surgery are starting to sway my opinion. Particularly the case of a 25lb coyote wounding one of the two 50lb pitbulls that were set on it. Coyote packs are also quite a problem for LGDs with an even greater size advantage. So the dog's greater physical presence might be overrated to a degree. |
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| Rai'Drik | May 16 2012, 06:31 AM Post #12 |
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I normally support wild canines over domestics, but this case might be an exception. Depends alot on the individual subspecies of dhole and variety of Staffy |
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| Bull and Terrier | May 17 2012, 12:47 AM Post #13 |
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I agree that a pet show low to the ground staffie, that has not done anything than being feed and shown in the show ring all life would loose, still it would be close. But I would favour a working staffie more often than not. The best staffies are actually one of the most athletic and agile canines in the world, together with malinois and the best apbt. This and a very powerful bite for their size, extremly powerful neck, mentality, gameness, thick skinn, thick bones, thick neck and a powerful body and build and their fighting ability makes me favour them over a dhole at parity. But with that said, dholes are probably the most impressive wild canine that size, and it would be no pushover with their killing ability. I also would favour a working staffie at average and max sizes. The information on the staffie, is misleading, due to this being the show standard. Most working or fighting staffies are both taller and heavier. Does anybody know if Reddhole has a dhole skull? I think he has sbt skull, due to the comparison between a sbt skull and coyote skull he had. Edited by Bull and Terrier, May 17 2012, 01:01 AM.
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| Full Throttle | May 17 2012, 02:52 AM Post #14 |
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Staffy. There powerhouses compared to the slim, jackal like dhole. Speed and agility won't mean much when the terriers hanging onto it's neck. |
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| Canidae | May 17 2012, 03:28 AM Post #15 |
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Speed and agility will prevent the terrier getting a grip in the first place. It is also not really Jackal-like. |
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