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| Dhole (Asiatic Wild Dog) v Staffordshire Bull Terrier | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 15 2012, 09:32 PM (9,050 Views) | |
| Taipan | May 15 2012, 09:32 PM Post #1 |
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Dhole (Asiatic Wild Dog) - Cuon alpinus The dhole (Cuon alpinus) is a species of canid native to South and Southeast Asia. It is the only extant member of the genus Cuon, which differs from Canis by the reduced number of molars and greater number of teats. The dholes are classed as endangered by the IUCN, due to ongoing habitat loss, depletion of its prey base, competition from other predators, persecution and possibly diseases from domestic and feral dogs. The dhole is a highly social animal, living in large clans which occasionally split up into small packs to hunt.[3] It primarily preys on medium-sized ungulates, which it hunts by tiring them out in long chases, and kills by disemboweling them. Unlike most social canids (but similar to African wild dogs), dholes let their pups eat first at a kill. Though fearful of humans, dhole packs are bold enough to attack large and dangerous animals such as wild boar, water buffalo, and even tigers. Prey animals in India include chital, sambar, muntjac, mouse deer, swamp deer, wild boar, gaur, water buffalo, banteng, cattle, nilgai, goats, Indian hares, Himalayan field rats and langurs. They are smaller than African wild dogs. Weight ranges from 10 to 25 kg (22 to 55 lb), with males averaging about 4.5 kg (9.9 lb) heavier. This dog is 88 to 113 cm (35 to 44 in) long from the snout to the base of the tail, with the tail averaging 45 cm (18 in) in length. Shoulder height is 42 to 55 cm (17 to 22 in). ![]() Staffordshire Bull Terrier The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (informally: Staffie, Stafford, Staffy or Staff) is a medium-sized, short-coated, old-time breed of dog. It is an English dog, where it is the 5th most popular breed, and related to the bull terrier. Having descended from dog-fighting ancestors, it is muscular and courageous. It is the subject of breed specific legislation in some jurisdictions. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, stocky, and very muscular dog with strong athletic ability, with a similar appearance to the American Staffordshire terrier and American pit bull terriers sharing the same ancestor. They have a broad head (male considerably more than female), defined occipital muscles, a relatively short foreface, dark round eyes and a wide mouth with a clean scissor-like bite (the top incisors slightly overlap the bottom incisors). The ears are small. The cheek muscles are very pronounced. Their lips show no looseness. From above, the head loosely resembles a triangle. The head tapers down to a strong well-muscled neck and shoulders placed on squarely spaced forelimbs. They are tucked up in their loins and the last 1-2 ribs of their ribcage are usually visible. Their tail resembles an old fashioned pump handle. Their hind quarters are well-muscled and are what give the Stafford drive when baiting. They are coloured brindle, black, red, fawn, blue, white, or any blending of these colors with white. White with any other colour broken up over the body is known as pied. Liver-colored, black and tan dogs can occur but are rare. The coat is smooth and clings tightly to the body giving the dog a streamlined appearance.The dogs stand 36 to 42 cm (14 to 17 in) at the withers and weigh 14 to 18 kg (31 to 40 lb) for males; bitches are 11 to 15.4 kg (24 to 34 lb). ![]() |
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| Black Ice | Mar 22 2018, 08:54 AM Post #46 |
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You missed that part, or you ignored it didn't You? Hunters must go killing non trophy moose for sport huh? Literally, just stop. Wolves are capable of killing larger healthy game by themselves in one go. The evidence has been posted; you can either admit you were wrong or live in ignorance and look dumb in front of everyone. The choice is yours. Do you want more examples of wolves killing healthy male game animals by themselves too? Cause there's at least 20 instances in the above studies alone but I can post another if you're really that dense? Like I'm not even purposefully being a dick at this point; I'm genuinely trying to figure out why you say the stuff you do so blindly as if you know it's fact when it clearly isn't? Edited by Black Ice, Mar 22 2018, 09:03 AM.
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| Sam1 | Mar 22 2018, 04:10 PM Post #47 |
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Again.. https://youtu.be/ruEBfgAOVNo No dog would be capable of doing this. The damage the "gracile" wolf withstood here and the way he just kept of going for it head on, with no regard for his life..but yeah Grazier, you keep ignoring that and keep being blown away by a dog taking down a boar of its own size. Edited by Sam1, Mar 22 2018, 04:11 PM.
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| Grazier | Mar 22 2018, 04:47 PM Post #48 |
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Lets ignore there's a whole family type of dog adapted specifically to take on healthy fresh bovines 30 times their own weight head on and take whatever punishment the bovine can dish out, and how that's the entire sole purpose of those dogs and every hair on their body is geared to excel at that and that alone, as dictated by thousands of generations of evolution where the standards of acceptable excellence are set far beyond what would be expected of any wild predator to merely survive by any means necessary, lets just say no dog would be capable of doing that because derp. Nothing in that video conflicted with what I said about wolves working on individuals for months and eventually harvesting duds when they are good and ready. It's still cool, but the fact is the bulls that dogs frequently were expected to tackle head on would, at worst, get their urine smelled by a wolf, and then left alone, and that's a fact. Prime perfectly fit specimens of any species are invulnerable to predation from wild predators, that's how their species survives. There are levels to this stuff which are completely ignored when a shiney video or vague barely relevant scientific article pops up. |
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| Sam1 | Mar 22 2018, 05:19 PM Post #49 |
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Let me rephrase - the dog would be killed. Now if you can find me an account of a dog single handedly killing something of that magnitude, then I'll stand corrected. |
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| Grazier | Mar 22 2018, 07:30 PM Post #50 |
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The wolf would be killed tackling a fresh bull, at best you can say the bison would not have been killed, but bulldogs are way way way better at not dieing going toe to toe with big bovines. You can believe whatever you like. |
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| Sam1 | Mar 22 2018, 08:00 PM Post #51 |
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wait a second, so you are saying the bison would not be killed and the dog would give up? Or that this dog of yours would be too small to do any real damage..hence invalidating your whole point. You can't compare small bull dogs to this. Anyway, you failed to show me a similar thing done by a single dog, so you acknowledge that a single wolf can take down tougher and bigger animal than any dog can. Something tells me that 75kg wolfhound of yours would be dead in ten minutes. |
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| Grazier | Mar 22 2018, 08:43 PM Post #52 |
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Dingoes have done what that wolf did (to Asiatic water buffalo). Like I said there are levels to performance, wolves and dingoes are dogsh!t at tackling large bovines. Given enough time to mess around they can eventually kill them, but when compared to big game specialised dogs, whether a bulldog OR the 75 kgs wolfhound cross, their performance is amateurish and poor. |
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| Sam1 | Mar 22 2018, 09:43 PM Post #53 |
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I see, some more rambling is all that you have. Put up with some real account or shut up. Anyway, I'm done hijacking the thread. |
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| Black Ice | Mar 22 2018, 11:25 PM Post #54 |
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I agree with this. Not gonna entertain stupidity in two threads simultaneously. At that point it's not even fun it's just a chore. |
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| Vita | Mar 23 2018, 04:30 AM Post #55 |
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It's not a bovine, but what do you think of this amateur and poor performance?
Edited by Vita, Mar 23 2018, 04:31 AM.
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| Grazier | Mar 23 2018, 08:04 AM Post #56 |
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Lycaon Well that's an unusual situation. It might even happen with a fox that gets grabbed on the leg (it does, you hear about it). Usually, like nearly every time, a pitbull would (and does) ragdoll a coyote to death almost instantly and very efficiently. I'm not saying what you describe CAN'T happen, just that it more likely won't. vita
It's a good performance, almost dog-like. Cervids die easily. The moose is a possible exception, but even red deer and elk die pretty easily. Until 2004 (the year of the ban) there were uk deer-dogging forums just like there are still aussie pig dogging forums. Collie cross whippets (among others) were on there killing deer almost instantly one on one every day. Maybe for larger stags you'd want a deerhound x grey or bully x grey, but generally there's no comparison between cervids and bovids or suids. I expect wolves to be able to just insta-kill deer just as a deerhound or even greyhound would, but for moose and up it's a big process that can not be fully appreciated in a short video clip. You need a "big cat diary" type following a wolf pack for months to really see what goes into killing a prey animal. Or you could watch bbc's wolf battlefield to understand. You're seeing the end of a long project and thinking that was the beginning. |
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| Taipan | Mar 24 2018, 10:34 PM Post #57 |
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Let see you back something up Grazier. A single dog killing a bovine please. No human involvement. Your ability to do so, could determine your posting rights in the future. Single wolves have done it: The Killing of a Bull Muskox by a Single Wolf Edited by Taipan, Mar 24 2018, 10:39 PM.
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| Mauro20 | Mar 24 2018, 11:40 PM Post #58 |
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Not Grazier here, but since he's probably not even going to make an effort, I tried looking for accounts of dogs killing bovines. None of the ones I found were performed by a single dog. This one is the closest to it I found:Source: http://www.alexcityoutlook.com/2017/03/21/dogs-attack-and-kill-full-grown-pregnant-mama-cow-with-a-calf-at-her-side/ |
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| Ryo | Mar 24 2018, 11:50 PM Post #59 |
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A shame there is no picture of the Cow so we could see what breed it was and if it had horns. How far it was into the pregnancy would also be useful. |
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| K9 Bite | Mar 25 2018, 12:08 AM Post #60 |
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At similar weights, the staffie's chances of winning are better than the dhole's imo. The dog is a good gripper and one good bite on the Dhole is all it needs to help push the wild canid to the ground. I've personally had a incident where these dogs attacked my German Shepherd while out on a walk. They are small but very compact for their size, with their heads and necks short, hard and compact. The Dhole probaly has the better dentation and agilty on it's side, but I see the staffie winning this more often than not. https://youtu.be/Hii8YA83n2A |
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