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| Consequences of domestication; where diseases come from | |
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| Satya | Feb 16 2018, 12:38 AM Post #16 |
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Good logical points still domestic animals are weakening every passing generation... many times some xyz disease is found in 1 or 2 chickens indifferent cities(area) .... ALL chickens in and around of that area are CULLED. Why because they know all will infected if not culled urgently ... they are Garbage not chicken, wild-chicken also lives near-jungles but don't think they ever infested these many diseases and they don't use ANTIBIOTICS. Govt compensate them so no up-roar but still after few more years i don't think chicken farming is profitable and slowly all animal farming. |
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| Ryo | Feb 16 2018, 12:56 AM Post #17 |
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"still domestic animals are weakening every passing generation..." They have existed for 30.000 years and more. By your odd logic, they should be unable to walk today. They don't get weaker if you literally breed the best individuals together. "many times some xyz disease is found in 1 or 2 chickens indifferent cities(area) ...." Yea. Chickens made to be food in either meat or Eggs. Chickens made and forged in selective breeding only for this purpose and not to be healthy or disease resistant. Chickens which in many places on top of that, are kept in terrible conditions. "but don't think they ever infested these many diseases" Because they don't have a body plan simply existing for the purpose of being eaten by primates and have a better immune System. They also aren't all crowded tightly together hundreds or thousands at a time. "and they don't use ANTIBIOTICS. lol" Many antibiotics are highly illegal to use on animals for the safety of humans. " i don't think chicken farming is profitable and slowly all animal farming." Doesn't matter what you think. they wouldn't make large amounts of money if it wasn't. This stil l does not apply to all domestic animals as dogs and cats. |
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| Satya | Feb 16 2018, 01:53 AM Post #18 |
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U missed one CORE POINT ... i am against FACTORY farming.In villages domestic chicken roam freely and they are healthy to eat. See, Domestication is different from in-human FACTORY MADE animals. 'Factory' is running from 60+ years not 30,000 years as you said. |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Feb 16 2018, 02:36 AM Post #19 |
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Farming at large scale is important to feed an incresing number of people. The world population is growing at a fast rate, so farming needs to grow too. Most people live in urban areas, so farming in villages is not enough to feed all the urban people.
Edited by Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu, Feb 16 2018, 02:38 AM.
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| Ryo | Feb 16 2018, 02:39 AM Post #20 |
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I simply stated that domestication has appeared since over 30.000 years ago and that it is not a must that it will make the next generation weaker. No wonder animals which forged existence of having an anatomy to be eaten by humans, stacked closely together in the thousands would be unhealthy. Still tastes good to humans. |
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| Satya | Feb 16 2018, 02:52 AM Post #21 |
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Taste good because their body is full of fat,bones are weak easy to munch and digest, humans are also becoming fat .. It is not a rocket science,fat loves fat @Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu We all can live with vegetarian food only ... if we want more add Milk, Eggs farming and ban rest of ALL ANIMAL FARMING. |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Feb 16 2018, 02:59 AM Post #22 |
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Ok. I will try to be a vegetarian. But I have three house cats and two house dogs. What can I do to feed them properly?
Edited by Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu, Feb 16 2018, 03:01 AM.
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| Ryo | Feb 16 2018, 02:59 AM Post #23 |
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Oh great, an Aggressive Vegan. That explains everything. Some people would likely get sick from even Vegetarian diets, depending on where they live. It's good to see you're not all fanatical about Milk and Eggs. But Fish is still extremely important. Most of the mammal meat however, could likely be changed with insects. Easier to produce. Much faster, much healthier, more humane, requires less space which we can use those agricultural lands on either humans or more nature habitat (instead of feeding our food), requires less food and water. It is pretty much better in any single way. Also, I and likely others can't really take you serious with your silly emoji spam. |
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| Ryo | Feb 16 2018, 04:53 AM Post #24 |
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Dogs and to some extent even cats can be highly beneficial to the average pet owner. Gives a stronger immune system and helps with much much more. Would be stupid to throw something as important away. In fact, an animal lover saying a person should throw his pets away is nearly, if not straight out much more cruel and evil than what we do to the poor factory chickens, due to all the feelings and self awareness involved. |
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Feb 16 2018, 05:01 AM Post #25 |
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I reported S***a post for encouraging violent behavior toward my pets. |
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| Satya | Feb 16 2018, 05:42 AM Post #26 |
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Didn't suggest Cook and eat like most east Asians As a animal lover i suggest EVERY ANIMAL MUST LIVE IN her FREE WILL... how can u feel if someone confined u to house only (jail) or put chain around ur neck (SLAVE) and drag everywhere?? Actually pet OWNERS ARE SADISTS. They torture a free living being to a small room, chain them and sold them and FINALLY KILLS them ... named it as EUTHANASIA. Only sadists enjoy this pet/slave trade.
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| Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu | Feb 16 2018, 05:46 AM Post #27 |
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You are a sadist, for torturing us all with your stupid ideas.
Edited by Claudiu Constantin Nicolaescu, Feb 16 2018, 05:47 AM.
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| Ryo | Feb 16 2018, 07:34 AM Post #28 |
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There is a reason many dogs live longer than Wolves. They don't care about collars, they just love their families, sees the house as their home. They are more happy with in general better life qualities than you'd ever find in any wild animal. It is highly more sadistic to think about letting your poor dog fend for itself suddenly out in the wilderness. Think about the dogs taht can't even live on the street, who gets wet, disease and parasite infested fur and starves slowly to death. You have seen how dogs cab quite literally cry for their owners, feeling extreme sadness and depression. Imagine if a dog lost everybody it loved and cared for and now was entirely alone out in the cold rain, snow, or hot desert, or parasite infested jungles and forests. It would be traumatised and literally have a chance of being so scared that something breaks in its head. That is not to mention the wild animals that would happily tear it to pieces, eating it alive as a snack. A dog just follows its family group. It barely even know that it doesn't have free will. And even that it has to a large extent. It has about as much free will as a child, which aren't slaves nor feel like it. Talking bad about Euthanasia is also dumb since it generally is among the most humane things made in most cases of animals. I am not sure if you're a troll or this dumb. Never the less, I hope there is something that will be done about you. Edited by Ryo, Feb 16 2018, 07:38 AM.
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| Satya | Feb 16 2018, 11:44 AM Post #29 |
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How can a slave(pet) become family? stupidity.Pet trading is nothing but sugar coated sadism... So, Wild Animals are live barbaric life, slave trade and killing is humane thing(Euthanasia or mercy killing). ![]() |
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| Ryo | Feb 16 2018, 12:30 PM Post #30 |
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Define slave. They live about a similar life as a kid would. It doesn't suffer, in fact, it lives a much better life than any Wolf, Fox or Coyte, as well as any Tiger ever will. It has anything its natural instincts seeks. Survival, food, shelter, somewhat a positive life style and a loving family it can interract with. You see it as a slave, but when you think about it, many dogs and cats have humans as slaves, not virce verca. Millions of dogs provide no actual working abilities in the house. They don't have to guard, hunt, search for injured, nothing. All they get is a warm bed to sleep on and food handed to them for doing nothing, and humans "waste" their income on this. This is not what a slave is. We don't waste money on "slaves" sleeping all day doing next to nothing and we don't waste time trying to make them healthy through exercise and play. Humans and dogs have what I'd nearly call a Symbiotic Relationship which is normal in nature. "I will scratch your back if you scratch mine". The dogs get something in return for giving humans what they give them. Sometimes, the dogs give nothing more than social interractions and we still waste massive amounts of money, time, space and resources which only increase over the next 8-16 years. Imagine that, a Canine that lives nearly like a king for 8-16 years for doing nothing, except making the owners happy. But I assume you don't know what slavery actually is. This should be able to cut it out even for you. https://study.com/academy/lesson/symbiotic-relationship-definition-examples-quiz.html "Pet trading is nothing but sugar coated sadism..." Can't be if they live much better than their original wild counterparts and if they don't suffer. "So, Wild Animals are live barbaric life," Well, yes they are and do. Depending on how you look at it. Have you ever heard the quote "DAYUM NATURE YOU'RE SCARY!" ? "slave trade and killing is humane thing" Yes, because they don't suffer, unlike Wolf puppies that risks becoming snacks to others, same with Tiger cups who risks being eaten alive or shredded by Dholes, Snakes, Leopards and other Tigers. Perhaps Bears as well. And unlike a slow painful death where they have become old, sick, gotten infections, are infested with parasites, injured, possibly blind and can no longer hunt and thus have to starve to death, we put our dogs humanely down in a calm relaxing sleep so they won't have to suffer. Read about this place and especially look in the "natueral process" part https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oostvaardersplassen These are wild Cattle, Deer and Horses that starved slowly to death. Massive amounts of people called it animal cruelty and demanded the weak and sick individuals to be put down quick by bullets so they wouldn't suffer so horribly. Would you have prefered they did not have done this? Since that would be somewhat more barbaric, with the only defending factor being "its nature". Edited by Ryo, Feb 16 2018, 12:38 PM.
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