k9boy

Jun 29 2012, 06:24 AM

Canidae

Jun 29 2012, 06:16 AM

k9boy

Jun 29 2012, 05:58 AM

ImperialDino Why do you feel the need to take your insecurity's out on leopards? Some leopards will flee from brown hyenas, some will stand there ground and chase it off. Does it really matter? A leopard could kill a brown hyena in a heartbeat anyway.

Certainly not.
The people - who were zoologists - who wrote 'Cry of the Kalahari' and observed such animals on daily basis for years on end said a Brown Hyaena could likely withstand a Leopard's attacks and give it a good fight with their bone-crushing jaws.
Similarly in another paper on Leopard diet it was stated adult Brown Hyaenas had sufficient weaponary to minimise predation, with the account cited of predation being only a 6-month old cub.

A brown hyena could not withstand an angry leopards attack. And yes I doubt a leopard would go for an adult brown hyena, there is much easier prey out there. But in a life and death situation the brown hyena would be swiftly overpowered and dealt with.

Canidae

Jun 29 2012, 06:30 AM

k9boy

Jun 29 2012, 06:24 AM

Canidae

Jun 29 2012, 06:16 AM

k9boy

Jun 29 2012, 05:58 AM

ImperialDino Why do you feel the need to take your insecurity's out on leopards? Some leopards will flee from brown hyenas, some will stand there ground and chase it off. Does it really matter? A leopard could kill a brown hyena in a heartbeat anyway.

Certainly not.
The people - who were zoologists - who wrote 'Cry of the Kalahari' and observed such animals on daily basis for years on end said a Brown Hyaena could likely withstand a Leopard's attacks and give it a good fight with their bone-crushing jaws.
Similarly in another paper on Leopard diet it was stated adult Brown Hyaenas had sufficient weaponary to minimise predation, with the account cited of predation being only a 6-month old cub.

A brown hyena could not withstand an angry leopards attack. And yes I doubt a leopard would go for an adult brown hyena, there is much easier prey out there. But in a life and death situation the brown hyena would be swiftly overpowered and dealt with.

Mark and Delilah Owens suggested otherwise and knew a lot more about the animals than you or I.
From their interactions and face to face encounters it shows even larger male Leopards are not willing to engage Brown Hyaenas at all showing that their is notable risk involved in an attack.

But there are other threads for this!

I still think Emsagwen is a fair male. Just not 'apex' as say Camp Pan is.

k9boy

Jun 29 2012, 05:29 AM

Well chui I'm sure any leopards head would look small when compared to a lioness, they are quite abit smaller.

1977marc

Jun 29 2012, 08:03 PM

Ok Guys,

need to take some action here

You guys are downsizing one of the biggest male leopards ever of the Sabi Sands.
I talked with a few guys, Rangers and a Photographer renowned in this area.

And they tell me that the late Emsagwen male was huge, longer and higher than Tyson (Marthly male, who I find very impressive, and because of his agressive attitude) and Emsagwen was still developping especially in weight.
Camp Pan male is the heaviest build, but Emsagwen had the bigger frame.

I was allways a fan of the Hlarulini Male, the guy wich destroyed the hyena. They told me he had a large frame, but the biggest Tom was the Ottawa male and the father of the Ottawa male (Mbombi), wich was actually weighted when he was old and deterioted and at a stunning 102 kg. This was around 1990-1995.

Just to give an example about the Sabi Sands Leopard.

The Manyeleti male leopard.
A leopard wich died in 2009 at the age of 12. He was known as an average sized leopard but with a boeing like neck.
He died because the rangers had to put him down of tuberculoses.
At that time he was way out of his prime.
He are his measurements at that time

Weighing 56Kgs. Length of body 134cm. Length of tail 81cm.

So he was proberly around 60-65 kg in his prime and not known as one of the big guys.

Canidae

Jun 29 2012, 06:16 AM

k9boy

Jun 29 2012, 05:58 AM

ImperialDino Why do you feel the need to take your insecurity's out on leopards? Some leopards will flee from brown hyenas, some will stand there ground and chase it off. Does it really matter? A leopard could kill a brown hyena in a heartbeat anyway.

Certainly not.
The people - who were zoologists - who wrote 'Cry of the Kalahari' and observed such animals on daily basis for years on end said a Brown Hyaena could likely withstand a Leopard's attacks and give it a good fight with their bone-crushing jaws.
Similarly in another paper on Leopard diet it was stated adult Brown Hyaenas had sufficient weaponary to minimise predation, with the account cited of predation being only a 6-month old cub.