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| romanianborz | Feb 18 2015, 12:48 AM Post #1051 |
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i DOUBT iVAN IS 100 KILO... Any source abiout darting and weight him? Regards |
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| 1977marc | Feb 18 2015, 01:03 AM Post #1052 |
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no, it is just what the BBC said. I hope to get an answer for that |
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| ManEater | Feb 18 2015, 01:27 AM Post #1053 |
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Hello marc, i agree with romanianborz, the 100 kg weight is quite free, moreover the bbc claim that sri lanka leopards are the biggest subspecie, scientific datas don't seem to indicate such a thing. However this male ivan is robust and impressive so maybe he is near that estimate, who knows. |
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| 1977marc | Feb 18 2015, 06:29 PM Post #1054 |
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 big boy.... little ears...means big head..fat neck...80 kg + for sure |
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| 1977marc | Feb 20 2015, 06:42 PM Post #1055 |
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okay not 65 kg but comparison pictures    AfriCat Namibia 24 januari om 15:52 WAHU, OUR FAMOUS FELINE AMBASSADOR... ... is with his impressive 16 years of age the oldest ambassador at AfriCat’s Carnivore Care Centre. Over the years he was visited by school groups, volunteers and guests from around the world and is most likely the most photographed carnivore on Okonjima who even made it onto 2014’s National Geographic Traveler Photo Contest. Last Thursday Dr. Ulf Tubbesing volunteered his time to dart and perform a thorough examination on Wahu, who lost a considerable amount of weight within the last few months. His current weight of 52.8 kg confirmed that he lost about 5 kg within one year. During the clinical examination Dr. Tubbesing couldn’t find any serious clinical abnormalities. An ultrasound machine was used to exclude a possible abdominal growth. Lymph nodes, kidneys and spleen appeared normal; heart - lung sounds were inconspicuous. A blood smear revealed a slight elevation of leukocytes suggesting a mild infection/inflammation. No parasites were visible in the blood. After awaiting the final results of hematology and serology we can say with relief that all in all and considering his age - Wahu is in good shape. The biochemistry analysis showed an elevation in Urea which is typical in carnivores that are on a high protein diet. Total protein, cholesterol and calcium were slightly elevated and low, respectively, but, according to Dr. Tubbesing, don’t seem to be of significance. We say thank you Dr. Tubbesing for his kind assistance and hope that Wahu will act as ambassador for his wild counterparts for many more years. Read more about Wahu: http://www.africat.org/index.php… |
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| ManEater | Feb 21 2015, 09:42 AM Post #1056 |
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It is always nice to see leopards of all size and weights. Indian : ( not a very impressive head, but i love his built) 
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| figantee | Feb 22 2015, 08:27 PM Post #1057 |
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which is the the average weight of leopards in India with 5 or 6 years of age ? average weight |
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| chui | Feb 22 2015, 09:36 PM Post #1058 |
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^I prefer the look of Sri Lankan leopards, they look more like lions while Indian leopards tend to have a more catlike appearance IMO. I think you guys got too caught up in the 100kg figure for Ivan. That was just a claim made by a TV program which are notorious for over sensationalizing. Ivan certainly is a very impressive looking leopard but I wouldn't call him an exception. Most of the mature males (key word mature) from Yala are impressive and imposing beasts. I'm not sure about 100kg but I wouldn't at all be surprised if a couple of them (out of 12 or so I've seen photographed) were a good 80kg or a bit more. Ultimately everybody seems interested in weights, there is some weight data on Sri Lankan leopards but it isn't quite adequate. The British naturalist, WWA Phillips provided an average weight of 56kg for 11 male leopards from the island back in 1935. But as I've stated previously weights from early naturalists often tend to be on the low end because hunted animals often had to be weighed late after death and animals were not always properly aged (ie. subadults were sometimes included). For example, James Stevenson-Hamilton (1947) gives the weight of an "average fully grown" male leopard from the Sabi Sands as 47kg and Pienaar states male leopards in Kruger "seldom exceed" 60kg in Kruger. It is also worth pointing out that the largest Sri Lankan leopard in Phillips sample weighed 77kg which was higher than any weight reported from India or Africa at the time. Apart from Phillip's data I don't really have much else on weights. I remember Pardus on the old AVA board once posted about a ~180lb Sri Lankan leopard shot by a hunter who if I recall correctly stated the weight was pretty standard for the region. I can't really comment on this particular source as I haven't seen it myself but Pardus was probably the most reputable poster I've encountered on these boards and if he felt it was reliable it probably has some significance. Apart from that, the average weight of 8 adult male captive Sri Lankan leopards, most of which were wild born was given as 63.1kg in a 1989 study. You would generally expect wild living leopards to weigh more than zoo leopards in a country like Sri Lanka. So where do Sri Lankan leopards sit in terms of the size hierarchy in this species? Considering all things, in my opinion they probably aren't quite as big as leopards from places like Gabon or Iran but they should easily match those from regions like South Africa or India in size. I would imagine the leopards on the island face two conflicting selection pressures influencing their size, on the one hand island dwarfism due to limited resources compared to the mainland (Indian forests are generally more prey rich than Sri Lankan forests) and on the other the lack of any larger competitors allowing for "competitive release". With that being said even if they aren't any bigger I generally get the impression they are more formidable, in a fight I would probably back a Yala male over a Sabi Sands male. This is just my opinion so make of it what you will. Yala is one of the few places outside South Africa where leopards are well observed and exposed to tourism and as a result we get a steady supply of photographs of different individual leopards in the region. The only other place in Asia which compares might be Kabini reserve in India which is also said to be great habitat for leopards and the different individuals there are well photographed. But I think the male leopards from Kabini lack the imposing presence of Yala's males. I posted some photos of different mature male leopards from Yala on page 20 and 22 of this thread. The point was to illustrate the consistency with which these males attain that impressive lionlike appearance. Some more pictures of Yala males. Lean mean fighting machine.  Another huge old male. This guy is my favourite, looks like the meanest of the bunch.  Screenshot from Leopard Battleground. In case there is any confusion, this is not Ivan. This was a different documentary which featured a different male who also looks very impressive in the thermal footage. 
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| ManEater | Feb 22 2015, 10:54 PM Post #1059 |
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Hello Chui, nice to see you, i agree with you that males sri lanka leopards look more impressive than typical savanna leopard or indian leopard, maybe their warrior head strengthen this impression. And the most impressive captive male leopard i have seen in a zoo was a male sri lankan at "parc des félins" near Paris: (easily recognizable, his tail is half missing)   I'm not sure the pictures i took on the net honors him, but he was really nicely built. PS: What zoological books on leopard do you recommand me Chui ? (I try to gather a little collection) Edited by ManEater, Feb 22 2015, 10:56 PM.
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| chui | Feb 23 2015, 03:28 AM Post #1060 |
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Hey ManEater, there are 3 particularly comprehensive books on leopards which I have read that come to mind. Each of them is different in that they are written by people who dealt with the animal in very different ways (scientists, hunters etc.). But I think it is useful to look at the animal from all these different viewpoints to form the most complete picture. First is "The Leopard" 1967 by Peter Turnbull-Kemp, a game warden by profession who dealt with wildlife in Nigeria, Sudan, South Africa, and Zimbabwe. This was probably the first comprehensive book on the species and covers a wide range of topics like the significance of the species in ancient cultures, physical characteristics, behaviour, diet, hunting etc. Some of the info in this book seems quite dated now but worth a read nonetheless. Second is "The African Leopard: Ecology and Behavior of a Solitary Felid" 1993 by Ted Bailey. This is a very scientific book and covers Ted Bailey's research of leopards in Kruger NP. It provides very in depth info on things such as social organization, habitat selection, and feeding ecology of leopards in Kruger. Though various scientific papers have now been published which provide more info on these topics this is still probably the most comprehensive scientific book on the species. The last is "Into the Thorns: Hunting the Cattle Killing Leopard of the Matobo Hills" 2008 by professional hunter Wayne Grant. As the title suggests this book deals with the author's experience guiding leopards hunts, primarily in the Matobo Hills area of southern Zimbabwe. Grant is by no means a gloating hunter and he provides good info on the size and other physical attributes of the leopard, general behaviour, methods of hunting the leopard, as well as accounts of particular hunts. |
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| ManEater | Feb 23 2015, 08:39 AM Post #1061 |
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Thank you Chui for your detailed answer, i had an eye on Bailey and Turnbull-kemp, good to see there are classics that you advise. Didn't know the third one, happy to discover, i will have a look on it. What books do you recommand on african equatorial leopards and persian leopard? I already have "The conservation biology of the leopard (Panthera pardus) in Gabon: Status, threats and strategies for conservation" and "Carnivora collected by the American Museum Congo Expedition". I would like to buy some pococks books on leopards but unfortunately not found. Edited by ManEater, Feb 23 2015, 08:40 AM.
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| romanianborz | Feb 24 2015, 02:19 AM Post #1062 |
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The Srilankan leopards are not impressive for me. They have quite longish faces compared with other ssp. The persian leopards show too a great size differences bwtween males and females. https://www.facebook.com/262940833829996/photos/pb.262940833829996.-2207520000.1424709277./283002331823846/?type=3&theater Also here is quite a large , darted persian leopard. https://www.facebook.com/262940833829996/photos/pb.262940833829996.-2207520000.1424709277./279557445501668/?type=3&theater |
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| 1977marc | Feb 24 2015, 07:52 PM Post #1063 |
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like the 2nd one Chui...that is a monster |
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| figantee | Feb 25 2015, 09:03 AM Post #1064 |
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I knew and a rare leopard 90 kg |
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| 1977marc | Feb 25 2015, 08:01 PM Post #1065 |
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These Yala leopard look like real bandits look at this monster...all those scars   it is not workingdo another monster  
Edited by 1977marc, Feb 25 2015, 08:22 PM.
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