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| ManEater | Jun 6 2015, 07:08 AM Post #1171 |
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Hi chui, i have the feeling sri lanka leopards are very big and could be placed alongside Persian and west african leopard, what do you think ? In fact yala male leopards are maybe the most impressive leopards with truly massive and long heads, no datas to support this, no datas at all in fact, just my feeling. Some indian population appears to be very impressive too as well as east african highlands leopards. |
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| chui | Jun 7 2015, 06:45 AM Post #1172 |
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Hey ManEater, I also get the impression Sri Lankan leopards are very big and impressive but unfortunately we don't have enough info. The only data available is a handful of skull measurements and some early 1930s data on weights and body measurements. Here is the original source for the average 56kg we see repeated on different websites and books. It is from "The Manual of Mammals of Ceylon", published in 1935 by WWA Philips. As I have said before, we don't know how the leopards in this sample were aged as early sources didn't always differentiate subadults and adults properly. Let alone young adults and fully mature (7 year+) males.  Modern data from South Africa for comparison.  Fortunately, Philips did provide the average chest girth for his sample of Sri Lankan leopards and this is a very useful measurement of overall massiveness and stockiness. If we compare with modern data for South African leopards it is interesting to note that males in the Sri Lankan sample had pretty much identical body length and chest girth as 4-6 year old males from Phinda but the weight was almost 10kg less. This doesn't seem right as the Sri Lankan males were just as long (126.6cm vs 126.8cm) and had slightly more massive chests (80cm vs 79cm). The difference in weight is probably due to differences in stomach content (the Phinda leopards were captured using baits) and also the fact all the Sri Lankan leopards were dead animals and may have been weighed long after death when the body condition would have deteriorated. In the early 20th century it would not always have been easy to get a dead leopard in a Sri Lankan jungle to a weighing machine. Also, it is worth noting that Philips biggest male at 77kg was the heaviest reliably recorded at the time apart from one leopard from Algeria which reportedly weighed over 80kg. The heaviest from Colonial India that I have found was a big male weighing 73kg and the heaviest from East or Southern Africa I know of from this time period (pre 1950) was only 65.5kg, from Kenya. Of course, not a lot of leopards seem to have been weighed in colonial times, most hunters only provided length measurements unfortunately. But it is interesting nonetheless that one of the absolute heaviest from that period was from Sri Lanka despite the fact far more leopards were hunted and measured in India and East Africa. Another interesting tidbit. Philips biggest male had identical measurements to the heaviest leopard (from unspecified location in Africa) weighed by Peter Turnbull-Kemp. With a body length of 142cm and a weight of 77kg. Philips didn't specify if his weights were with empty stomach but based on the average chest girth and average weight I wouldn't be surprised if he had corrected for stomach content. It's too bad Philips didn't provide skull measurements for the leopards he measured, that would've been very useful. Another bulky male from Sri Lanka. 
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| 1977marc | Jun 14 2015, 11:15 PM Post #1173 |
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Persian Leopard is I think the biggest Leopard looking at body and paws. Check this guy out. His chest girth the legs so powerful and big.   Edited by 1977marc, Jun 14 2015, 11:16 PM.
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| Leopardus | Jun 18 2015, 04:46 AM Post #1174 |
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Who do you guys think is the biggest Male in Sabi Sands? My guess is Anderson, but Tingana also seems quite big.
Edited by Leopardus, Jun 18 2015, 04:48 AM.
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| 1977marc | Jun 18 2015, 05:14 PM Post #1175 |
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Leopardus, there is not agument about that, easy two guys which are now the 2 big Boys. Vin Diesel male leopard ( brother of Mvula) and Mr. Anderson. Camp Pan was the biggest but now on his last feet. Vin Diesel was weighted several times these last years and was 90kg plus. Tingana and Mvula,Tyson are big boys but not that tall, more bulky. Around 80kg estimated. Then you have Kashane, Bicycle crossing male, Xovo ( brother of airstip male),Piva male ( still young and will grow much bigger) all around 75 kg I guess. Then a lot of other male, like Dewane, Maxabeni ( still growing) etc.... |
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| ManEater | Jun 19 2015, 02:52 AM Post #1176 |
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Yala (sri lanka) Limpopo (South africa) 
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| Alexander Hamilton | Jun 23 2015, 02:42 AM Post #1177 |
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Anderson,the male Villiers Steyn referred to as "much bigger than Tingana",and possibly the biggest he has ever seen,everyone that sees him says the same thing,it's about time that someone listens to Marc and weighs him  Large frame and big head  https://www.facebook.com/ODPSafaris/photos/pcb.553160328157400/553160141490752/?type=1&theater Very muscular forelegs,shoulders and neck  https://www.facebook.com/ODPSafaris/photos/pcb.553160328157400/553160291490737/?type=1&theater |
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| ManEater | Jun 23 2015, 06:12 AM Post #1178 |
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A monster from Yala (sri lanka)  another: 
Edited by ManEater, Jun 23 2015, 06:18 AM.
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| 1977marc | Jun 23 2015, 05:58 PM Post #1179 |
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Hi Alexander, Anderson is what we call the next level, and believe me, in two years he will be the ONE eveyone will be talking about. He will go beyond 100 kg. His frame is so big. He does not look that mssaive yet, but he is so tall. Villiers Steyn is someone who has seen a lot of leopards even outside SA. So I asked him to check out Mr Anderson and he did. Steyn is this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBAd4ptxYu8 he filmes this. Man eater that boy of Sri Lanka is a monster man!!!! young guy with some potential, but as you can see 55kg this is guy is so small compared to some of the males posted here now 5 years old, at 3 years 55 kg here a picture when he was 3 NAME: Bwana GENDER: Male AGE: (2015) 5 years FATHER: Mafana MOTHER: MJ WEIGHT: (2013) 55Kg SIBLING: Ishara BORN: 2011 in the Okonjima Nature Reserve.  at age 4 do not know his weight then.    Edited by 1977marc, Jun 23 2015, 07:43 PM.
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| Alexander Hamilton | Jun 24 2015, 02:16 AM Post #1180 |
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Marc,i agree,Anderson is the one that will break all the records.In my opinion,he is 90 kg already,when you look at the video with him and Salayexe(the largest female in the north of the Sabi Sands),he is easily more than double her size,the difference is huge,and he was only 6,most males hit their peak at 8-9 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iyfQ5r_OTc |
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| 1977marc | Jun 25 2015, 04:00 PM Post #1181 |
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Alexander, good comparision with Tingana ( +- 80 kg leopard) Tingana is more buffed but obvious not that tall..also with Salayexa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WC3ksD1DY |
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| ManEater | Jun 25 2015, 07:25 PM Post #1182 |
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Nice males Yala males:   
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| 1977marc | Jun 26 2015, 12:30 AM Post #1183 |
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those yala males always look so mean....love them.. |
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| Alexander Hamilton | Jun 29 2015, 03:24 AM Post #1184 |
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Marc,it's a good comparison between Anderson and Tingana and Anderson is much taller and longer and maybe slightly less bulky,Tingana only has a bigger dewlap at the moment.I found an interesting video of Camp Pan when he was 9,interesting to see that he looked pretty much the same at 9 as when he was 12 and a bit years old,amazing male. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUd3wLOfWg |
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| chui | Jul 2 2015, 04:23 AM Post #1185 |
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Some East African highland forest leopards. A big male from the misty Aberdare mountains, Kenya.  A black leopard photographed in the Bale Mountains of Ethiopia. This is the first photograph of a live black African leopard in the wild as far as I'm aware. 
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