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Carcharodontosaurus saharicus v Tyrannosaurus rex
Topic Started: Jun 8 2012, 05:34 PM (129,982 Views)
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Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
This huge meat eater was 45 feet long (5 feet longer than T-rex) and weighed 8 tons, making it one of the largest carnivores that ever walked the earth. This African carnosaur had a gigantic 5’4" long skull and enormous jaws with 8" long serrated teeth. It walked on two legs, had a massive tail, bulky body and short arms ending in three-fingered hands with sharp claws. Carcharodontosaurus is one of the longest and heaviest known carnivorous dinosaurs, with various scientists proposing length estimates ranging between 12 and 13 m (39-43.5 ft) and weight estimates between 6 and 15 metric tons. Its long, muscular legs, and fossilized trackways indicate that it could run about 20 miles per hour, though there is some controversy as to whether it actually did, a forward fall would have been deadly to Carcharodontosaurus, due to the inability of its small arms to brace the animal when it landed. Carcharodontosaurus was a carnivore, with enormous jaws and long, serrated teeth up to eight inches long.

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Tyrannosaurus rex
Tyrannosaurus is a genus of coelurosaurian theropod dinosaur. The species Tyrannosaurus rex (rex meaning "king" in Latin), commonly abbreviated to T. rex, is a fixture in popular culture. It lived throughout what is now western North America, with a much wider range than other tyrannosaurids. Fossils are found in a variety of rock formations dating to the Maastrichtian age of the upper Cretaceous Period, 67 to 65.5 million years ago.[1] It was among the last non-avian dinosaurs to exist before the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. Like other tyrannosaurids, Tyrannosaurus was a bipedal carnivore with a massive skull balanced by a long, heavy tail. Relative to the large and powerful hindlimbs, Tyrannosaurus forelimbs were small, though unusually powerful for their size, and bore two clawed digits. Although other theropods rivaled or exceeded Tyrannosaurus rex in size, it was the largest known tyrannosaurid and one of the largest known land predators. By far the largest carnivore in its environment, Tyrannosaurus rex may have been an apex predator, preying upon hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, although some experts have suggested it was primarily a scavenger. The debate over Tyrannosaurus as apex predator or scavenger is among the longest running in paleontology. Tyrannosaurus rex was one of the largest land carnivores of all time; the largest complete specimen, FMNH PR2081 ("Sue"), measured 12.8 metres (42 ft) long, and was 4.0 metres (13.1 ft) tall at the hips. Mass estimates have varied widely over the years, from more than 7.2 metric tons (7.9 short tons), to less than 4.5 metric tons (5.0 short tons), with most modern estimates ranging between 5.4 and 6.8 metric tons (6.0 and 7.5 short tons). Packard et al. (2009) tested dinosaur mass estimation procedures on elephants and concluded that dinosaur estimations are flawed and produce over-estimations; thus, the weight of Tyrannosaurus could be much less than usually estimated. Other estimations have concluded that the largest known Tyrannosaurus specimens had a weight exceeding 9 tonnes.

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Tyrannosaurs Rex vs Carcharodontosaurus
Edited by Taipan, Apr 24 2015, 10:18 PM.
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Apr 5 2013, 11:00 AM
T-Rex is king his jaw muscles give him a bite force of 4 tons of pressure despite jurassic park 3 ole spino had been bitten on the neck by Rex spino's weaker neck in Rexs mouth not a chance Carcharodontosaurus wouldent be much different T-Rex 10/10
Unless it is a mismatch it is never a complete 100% win ratio
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SAVAGE7
Apr 5 2013, 11:00 AM
T-Rex is king his jaw muscles give him a bite force of 4 tons of pressure despite jurassic park 3 ole spino had been bitten on the neck by Rex spino's weaker neck in Rexs mouth not a chance Carcharodontosaurus wouldent be much different T-Rex 10/10
Now that's just stupid. Your kind makes me sick.

First, it's T. rex, NOT T-Rex...

Second, Tyrannosaurus isn't the king, the "king of dinosaurs" is very likely still undiscovered.

Third, Tyrannosaurus' bite force is 57kN, or ~5.7 tonnes of force, not just 4 tonnes of force. And it's force, not pressure. Pressure is the amount of force exerted on a certain area. Also, bite force isn't everything, Carcharodontosaurus' dentition was made for slicing, and it had a larger gape than Tyrannosaurus. Dentition matters as much if not more than bite force.

Fourth, Carcharodontosaurus won't just present it's neck to the Tyrannosaurus, why would it be suicidal?

And last but not the least, a 100% win rate is impossible for this matchup. There are too many variables to consider and the size difference between the two are nowhere near enough to grant either one a 100% win rate.
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SAVAGE7
Apr 6 2013, 06:57 AM
How can you say 49 T-Rex 51 Carch Rexs teeth are like razor sharp rock solid 9 inch icesickals except their hard as rock and can't be snapped as easily as an icesickal Carch's teeth are closer to a razor sharp butter knife made out of tinfoil wrapped around a 7 inch long paper thin piece of wood plus rex's jaws could crush a small car with proportionate end results to a person crushing an aluminum soda can with their bare hands and Rex has superior endurance to the other 3 giant theropods spino carch and giga if that don't make 10 out of 10 in favor of T-Rex what does
Really now? Tyrannosaurus' teeth are NOWHERE near razor sharp. And most of the length is root. Carcharodontosaurus' teeth are more comparable to meat shears than your ridiculous comparison. You severely underrate Carcharodontosaurus' dentition.

And ever thought of gape limits? Tyrannosaurus' gape isn't really that wide.

And the your statement of Tyrannosaurus having superior endurance compared to Spinosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, and Giganotosaurus is just bs. There's no way to know their endurance as all of them are extinct.
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Apr 6 2013, 10:11 PM
SAVAGE7
Apr 5 2013, 11:00 AM
T-Rex is king his jaw muscles give him a bite force of 4 tons of pressure despite jurassic park 3 ole spino had been bitten on the neck by Rex spino's weaker neck in Rexs mouth not a chance Carcharodontosaurus wouldent be much different T-Rex 10/10
Now that's just stupid. Your kind makes me sick.

First, it's T. rex, NOT T-Rex...

Second, Tyrannosaurus isn't the king, the "king of dinosaurs" is very likely still undiscovered.

Third, Tyrannosaurus' bite force is 57kN, or ~5.7 tonnes of force, not just 4 tonnes of force. And it's force, not pressure. Pressure is the amount of force exerted on a certain area. Also, bite force isn't everything, Carcharodontosaurus' dentition was made for slicing, and it had a larger gape than Tyrannosaurus. Dentition matters as much if not more than bite force.

Fourth, Carcharodontosaurus won't just present it's neck to the Tyrannosaurus, why would it be suicidal?

And last but not the least, a 100% win rate is impossible for this matchup. There are too many variables to consider and the size difference between the two are nowhere near enough to grant either one a 100% win rate.
I don't see your problem with the king question...oh wait, yes, I know your problem with, it's only Tyrannosaurus...
Damn, "king" is after all a subjective term. But objectively, T. rex is the king as its name describes it as such and we've never seen a paleontologist coming cry "no ! T. rex is NOT the king". Only stupids internet customers do it, uh ? lol
And to state the king is undiscovered is very easy ! You could say this for absolutely any statement in fossil records...or not. This is heavy speculation, even stupid speculation. We do with what we have, period.
I agree that guys can underestimate others giants hunters like Carcharodontosaurus or so, but on the other hand, I've never seen a guy spitting on T. rex like you. Damn you just act like if it was a f**king epic evolutionnary failure ! lol
Tyrannosaurus is not the best, the biggest, or the most powerful, which is after all very bad science, but it is the last tyrannosaur, a very sophisticated and special lineage of predatory dinosaurs. It had very unique features, very impressive arguments like its robustness, the unique optimization of its body at deliver a very powerful bite (and yes, no other theropod approaches its bite strength as we know despite what you want or claim).

So now, if you're really a fan and not a joke or a fanboy, appreciate the animals for what they are, and stop the bias, this will stop your impopularity around.

Isn't it nice words ? :)
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Claiming this to be 10/10 in favor of T.rex is absolutely hilarious.....................................
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I think Monitor X knows that, but he just had problems with broly's statements, so he made his reply.

Or were you replying to the troll?
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We should ignore savage, and Monitor X seems to always have a problem with whatever broly writes, even if its right. I cannot find what about his post should be so provoking, but I guess Monitor X is very tender as far as T. rex is concerned, if even the simple (and by any law of probability true) statement of the "king of dinosaurs" being undiscovered.
The point is, for now there's more than one contender, and some people will have to learn that an epic name and lots of popular portrayals don't automatically give you the edge.

And there are actually few things as ridiculous as claiming this to be a mismatch, even some hardcore T. rex fanboys would agree with me on that.
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I'm not sure about this match. Carcharodontosaurus is really fragmentary, so we don't know much about it. But I recall reading somewhere that it was probably more similar to Acrocanthosaurus than Giganotosaurus when it comes to robustness, in which case I'd say Rex wins 65% of the time.
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Carcharodontosaurus iguidensis

Length: ~ 11 meters
Weigth: 4.5 tons
Skull: <1.4 meters

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Tyrannosaurus

Length: 12.3 meters
Weigth: 7.5 tons
Skull: 1.46 meters

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Tyrannosaurus win pretty easily.
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Mar 31 2013, 08:02 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 04:20 PM
^Stronger but still small. If it's gonna use it, it's gonna have to come within like 1 meter of the T.rex.
Carcharodontosaurus also had larger claws. So that could be a useful weapon too.
Lol. Dude, if you look at the Giganotosaurus reconstructions, the arms are pretty small, a bit like Rexes. Its obvious that for the Carcharodontosaurids, that they used their heads more often than they used their arms. Their arms aren't that much bigger than Rex's and we can tell just by anatomy of the skeleton.
If you notice the obvious size difference between the arms of large tyrannosaurids and large carcharodontosaurids, then you should be able to understand my plight. Yes, I already know that the primary weapons of large theropods were their jaws. But what I was saying that the forelimbs of the carcharodontosaurus would prove useful in this fight, given that they were longer and more powerful than those belonging to tyrannosaurus.
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Acrocanthosaurus has limbs longer than a comparably sized Tyrannosaurus, but they are hardly long enough to be of any use against an opponent as tall as it.
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Jun 26 2013, 12:39 AM
Acrocanthosaurus has limbs longer than a comparably sized Tyrannosaurus, but they are hardly long enough to be of any use against an opponent as tall as it.
But how could they NOT be used as an overall advantage?
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Because they can't be used in almost any conceivable situation? They certainly aren't enough to be a deciding factor in a parity matchup such as this.
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I can see a carcharodontosaur using its arms on a similar sized opponent. It isn't as if both would just stand there, there would be a bit of movement involved too. If one tries to get the advantage over the other, they will end up coming into body contact, and that's were the carnosaur could hook its claws into the tyrannosaur.

Theropods have a variable body and neck posture, and even tough no great range of movement in their shoulder and elbow, it is sufficient to get a hold on a large opponent.

Besides, Spinodontosaurus, last time we discussed such a matchup you stated carcharodontosaurs were taller, hence less stable and used this as a disadvantage. Now you state them to be the same height and state this as a disadvantage for using the claws. Decide which one you choose, it cannot have both! ;)
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