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| Carcharodontosaurus saharicus v Tyrannosaurus rex | |
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| Taipan | Jun 8 2012, 05:34 PM Post #1 |
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Carcharodontosaurus saharicus This huge meat eater was 45 feet long (5 feet longer than T-rex) and weighed 8 tons, making it one of the largest carnivores that ever walked the earth. This African carnosaur had a gigantic 5’4" long skull and enormous jaws with 8" long serrated teeth. It walked on two legs, had a massive tail, bulky body and short arms ending in three-fingered hands with sharp claws. Carcharodontosaurus is one of the longest and heaviest known carnivorous dinosaurs, with various scientists proposing length estimates ranging between 12 and 13 m (39-43.5 ft) and weight estimates between 6 and 15 metric tons. Its long, muscular legs, and fossilized trackways indicate that it could run about 20 miles per hour, though there is some controversy as to whether it actually did, a forward fall would have been deadly to Carcharodontosaurus, due to the inability of its small arms to brace the animal when it landed. Carcharodontosaurus was a carnivore, with enormous jaws and long, serrated teeth up to eight inches long. ![]() Tyrannosaurus rex Tyrannosaurus is a genus of coelurosaurian theropod dinosaur. The species Tyrannosaurus rex (rex meaning "king" in Latin), commonly abbreviated to T. rex, is a fixture in popular culture. It lived throughout what is now western North America, with a much wider range than other tyrannosaurids. Fossils are found in a variety of rock formations dating to the Maastrichtian age of the upper Cretaceous Period, 67 to 65.5 million years ago.[1] It was among the last non-avian dinosaurs to exist before the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. Like other tyrannosaurids, Tyrannosaurus was a bipedal carnivore with a massive skull balanced by a long, heavy tail. Relative to the large and powerful hindlimbs, Tyrannosaurus forelimbs were small, though unusually powerful for their size, and bore two clawed digits. Although other theropods rivaled or exceeded Tyrannosaurus rex in size, it was the largest known tyrannosaurid and one of the largest known land predators. By far the largest carnivore in its environment, Tyrannosaurus rex may have been an apex predator, preying upon hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, although some experts have suggested it was primarily a scavenger. The debate over Tyrannosaurus as apex predator or scavenger is among the longest running in paleontology. Tyrannosaurus rex was one of the largest land carnivores of all time; the largest complete specimen, FMNH PR2081 ("Sue"), measured 12.8 metres (42 ft) long, and was 4.0 metres (13.1 ft) tall at the hips. Mass estimates have varied widely over the years, from more than 7.2 metric tons (7.9 short tons), to less than 4.5 metric tons (5.0 short tons), with most modern estimates ranging between 5.4 and 6.8 metric tons (6.0 and 7.5 short tons). Packard et al. (2009) tested dinosaur mass estimation procedures on elephants and concluded that dinosaur estimations are flawed and produce over-estimations; thus, the weight of Tyrannosaurus could be much less than usually estimated. Other estimations have concluded that the largest known Tyrannosaurus specimens had a weight exceeding 9 tonnes. ![]() _________________________________________________________________________________
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| Black Ice | Aug 6 2012, 06:17 PM Post #76 |
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![]() Before you go spouting this "t rex was very agile" stuff take a good long look at its build Preferably the top and frontal view....notice anything? |
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| Tyrant | Aug 6 2012, 06:22 PM Post #77 |
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The tactic is unwise because it would have to kneel very low and lunge very far, putting it at a very high risk, for very minimal damage, as the front of trex's legs proably doesn't have to many arteries.
Neither are agile. It takes large theropods two seconds to spin half way so no manuvering is going on.
A punctured skull is far worse than a bloody face. If it does get bit in the face all trex has to do is get out of the grip, and since Jane a juvenile trex had been horribly bitten on the jaw by another juvenile trex and got away, its likely an adult trex could get out of a slashers bite.
There aren't many veins and ligaments in theropod faces, so trex's crushing bite is an extreme advantage.
It would be a hard fight, but I think trex would take it most of the time. By the way trex's teeth are much sharper than a crocs. ![]() Notice that even after millions of years of dulling trex's teeth still look sharper. Edited by Tyrant, Aug 6 2012, 06:27 PM.
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| Black Ice | Aug 6 2012, 06:28 PM Post #78 |
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Once again you do not understand all animals whether mammalian or reptilan have several major nerves and blood vessels in its head charchy had a more suitable build for agility rather than t rex. How is a more poweful bite gonna help if your enemy has a wider gape and sharper and longer teeth than you? you also dont get that rex had jaw tendons and ligaments in its head also. If charchy doesnt get a artery its tearing a ligament in rexes face as with its proven 8inch teeth. Btw do you realise how deep 8inches is I doubt t rex will win more often then not as its going up against a wider gaped longer toothed sharper toothed larger and more agile predator. Only adv t rex has is a stronhger bite which is minor when it wont be able to out flank or out gape its opponent You also forget that paleotoligists refurbish and renew the skulls they dig up....you did know that right? Edited by Black Ice, Aug 6 2012, 06:29 PM.
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| Tyrant | Aug 6 2012, 06:37 PM Post #79 |
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What? I sure as hell won't die if you cut the skin from the top of my head. I'm pretty sure that there was a guy that had his entire scalp torn off by a leopard and he survived.
Proof? Being larger automatically makes you less agile(as long as were comparing semi similar animals).
When the only thing you can bite are boney places with little blood in them.
If I fucked up your chin and lower jaw with a knife you would survive, badly scarred but alive.
Like I said the head has much, much, more blood than a jaw so if gets bitten their tarbosaurus would be fine. And since charac doesn't have a strong bite force its unlikely all eight inches are going through.
It is not more agile. Maybe faster but not more agile.
Like I said charac actually needs the ability to flank more than trex. The amount of blood in the jaws don't even compare to the amount of blood in the head. Luckily for trex it has a bite that could demolish its opponents jaws. |
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| Black Ice | Aug 6 2012, 06:46 PM Post #80 |
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You dont get it T rexes jaws are connected by ligaments,if I cut so much as one ligament in your jaw your mouth would be useless That larger animals are less agile than smaller ones is a complete lie. leopards are more agile than baboons,eagles more agile then pigieons etc The t rexes skull isnt 99%bone you forget its wrapped in muscle artery and blood vessels If any animal needs to be able to outflank in this fight. Its the rex as it wont be able to attack without getting outgaped by the larger charcharo. As how is t rex gonna demolish an animals jaws it cant even bite wider then? The head contains several blood vessels,nerves and ligaments required to function rexes mouth. All you need to cut is one. So as I said before what does rex have over carchy that gives it the edge? As I dont see any significant adv it has. Powerful bite?matched by longer,sharper teeth and a bigger gape Power in general? Not gonna be helpful as t rex cant use it properly. I see no adv. The rex really has. Durability? You can be the most durable animal on earth. Its only a matter of time before bloodloss and shock deteriorates your motor skills. As seen with humans and other animals constantly losing blood. Its not impossible to somehow survive shock etc. but its very unlikely P.s. You dont need a powerful bite to drive 8inches when you have a sawblade for jaws. Edited by Black Ice, Aug 6 2012, 06:51 PM.
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| Tyrant | Aug 6 2012, 06:54 PM Post #81 |
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A surgeon would have a hard time doing that to a sleeping patient, much less a "dumb" animal.
I said semi similar animals. SEMI SIMILAR. And the birds are more agile than cats as they can turn faster. In the air that is.
My finger has veins, arteries, and blood vessels but if I bite it off I am not going to kneel over and bleed out.
Because its not going to have its jaws opened at full gape the entire time. Or trex could just bite the lower jaw if it decided to let it loll out like a mentally retarted animal.
Again a human had lost his entire scalep and survived. My finger has nerves but if I bite it off I will survive.
And whats the point of a flesh ripping bite if the only targets are boney body parts without much blood in them. A punctured skull would leak out much, much, much more blood than a slashed face or jaw. Edited by Tyrant, Aug 6 2012, 06:59 PM.
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| Black Ice | Aug 6 2012, 07:04 PM Post #82 |
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You dont get it Having a severed ligament and a torn scalp is incomparable. T rex didnt have doctors to reattach its ligaments or tendons. I seriously doubt t rex is gonna attempt to bite the lower jaw of a animal with eight inch teeth. also why wouldnt charchy be at full gape the whole time? Its not gonna handicap its jaw gape for t rex.I doubt its even gonna do a frontal attack at all. Get your scalp torn and dont get medical attention. Watch how quickly your motor skills deteriote. Humans can survive alot of stuff because we can get medical attention.rex didnt have that luxury. Its not hard to cut a tendon at all. Sharks basically amputate whatever they bite. Charchy has teeth that could sever trexes jaw tendons as rex isnt gonna be foolish enough to bite down on another animals wide open lower jaw. Once again you forget that t rex had muscle ligaments and arteries wrapped over its bony skull. So how is charcho gonna be just biting bone when it has to cut through flesh muscle and tendon to get to the bone? t rex is far away from being anything near agile. Just look at the pic I posted. Charchy beats rex in weaponry size and agility,as it was lighter built than rex.what does rex bring to the table? Rex isnt gonna bite charchys jaw like you imply. If anything charvhy will be biting rexes face if rex charges it trying to bite. So I ask again. What does t rex bring thats gonna give it the edge in this fight? Edited by Black Ice, Aug 6 2012, 07:08 PM.
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| Superpredator | Aug 6 2012, 07:12 PM Post #83 |
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Jaws, killing experience (killed deadlier herbivores) and a weight advantage (if the 8ton Carchara & 9ton Rex is correct). |
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| Black Ice | Aug 6 2012, 07:15 PM Post #84 |
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Superpredator you should know saying t rex killed deadly herbivores is irrelevant to howd it fare against a larger theropod Also charchy and t rex both killed other theropods(themselves) so how is killing exp. A adv? Is rex gonna fight charcho the same way as tricerotops?or ankylosaurus? No it wont so Jaws? Charchy had a wider gape,sharper and longer teeth. All rex had was a stronger bite. killing exp and dealing with badder herbivores is void Weight? Charcharo is physically larger than t rex. Edited by Black Ice, Aug 6 2012, 07:16 PM.
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| Tyrant | Aug 6 2012, 07:27 PM Post #85 |
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What are the chances of a dumb animal of aiming a ligament? Extremely low.
They did it to each other.
How the fuck would it bite if its jaws are hanging open the entire fight? Use common sense.
A frontal attack is the only thing these two can do. it takes a multi ton theropod seconds to turn around, they can't fucking outmanuver each other.
Trex has a more robust skull than a human and the guy didn't die instantly or suffer from brain damage so I say a trex would be fine assuming carchs strech out magically and bite trex's skull.
You ever here animals tearing tendons out of each others faces? Huh?
No it doesn't. Charch with all do respect was most likely dumb.
It happended to Jane.
So what? If I slice up your face your not fucking die or be unable to move your jaws. If I bite off my finger I am not going to fucking die. Charch can't kill or disable rex by biting the face, and thats a problem cause thats pretty much its only target.
This is a problem. The moment people look at an animals anatomy they think they got it all figured out. Carch is most likely less agile as it is heavier and longer, and some posters say it was faster and belive it or not the faster a theropod is the less agile it becomes.
Bullshit. Even if it was more agile it would barely make a diffence, and slightly longer tooth is not going to do anything.
Bite force, durability, and in this case a more effective way of damaging the other.
Trex got in battles with each other regualry, so yes its combat experience is greater. Edited by Tyrant, Aug 6 2012, 07:28 PM.
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| Black Ice | Aug 6 2012, 07:39 PM Post #86 |
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You calling charchy a dumb animal just told me their is no debating with you. Not to mention you fail to realize tigers tear eachothers ligaments and jaws all the time so do sharks. also their is no proof t rex were biting eachothers lower jaw. I might as well call them dumb animals then You fail to realise t rex didnt have skulls of steel nor were they completely bony. T rex was a vvvveerrryyy slow turner so charcho could easily out flank rex and sever its ligaments.but if rex is gonna bite eachothers lower jaws then I guess their no dumber than charchy. Lol t rex wasnt the king when it was outgunned by charcho and giga. This fight is 50/50 tops. You keep saying bite force and durability well let me ask you somethingIf rex is dumb enough to try and bite the lower jaw then heres a question How is a stronger bite gonna save rex from severe blood loss and shock. Not to mention it cant outgape its rival And how is durability gonna save it from bleeding to death? It may not outright die from bloodloss but its motor skills are gonna drag greatly. Throwing this fight in charchys favor. If all you can list is stronger bite and durability...both which wont save it from bloodloss,being outgaped,or losing its motor skills. Then you basically said charchy wins. No matter what you say no animal not even t rex is gonna keep fighting when its loosing blood fast. It will die or retreat...simple as that Edited by Black Ice, Aug 6 2012, 07:45 PM.
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| SpinoInWonderland | Aug 6 2012, 07:42 PM Post #87 |
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9 tonnes for T. rex is beyond retarded, they placed unbased tissue in there just to make it heavier |
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| theropod | Aug 6 2012, 07:46 PM Post #88 |
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All these people whoc believe T rex killed deadlier prey or had more fighting expierience. Carcharodontosaurus coexisted with lots of other deadly carnivores, t rex could just fight each other. And a sauropod isn´t an easier prey than Triceratops. And it is normal among carnivores that they get injured in the skull when fighting, not every portion of it holds such a lot of blood. If carcharodontosaurus can land one single bite with it´s flesh tearing dentition the fight is over, who doesn´t believe this is obviously biased. Seriously carcharodontosaurus has a huge skull, with huge teeth which were very sharp. they don´t require lots of force to sever a major blood vessel, and it will have enough expierience to know how to kill other carnivores. |
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| Tyrant | Aug 6 2012, 07:54 PM Post #89 |
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It is by all means unintelligent. This what its life consits of: Bite a sauropod, run away, eat when its dead, sleep when tired, drink when thirsty, fuck when mating season happens. No reason to belive it wasn't of low intelligence.
Really? Cause I sure as hell never heard tigers and sharks kill each other by tearing apart each others face ligaments.
Jane had another juvenile trex shove the bottom of its lower jaw underneath her top jaw, no reason to belive why trex woudn't bite a lower jaw.
They proably aren't smart but are most likely more intelligent thant charch.
You fail to realize a trex can easily chomp through bone and that jaws have very little blood in them. Your basically saying lower blood loss is more lethal than greater blood loss which is nothing short of idiotic.
All large theropods are fucking slow turners, since charch is heavier and longer its going to be a slower turner than trex, much less circle around one. The thing with people like you is they think they can guess the speed, power, and agility, of an animal just by looking at its skeleton structure; its not that easy. And again with the ligaments?
They bit off tricertop horns, they bite each others upper jaws, from what I understand biting the lower jaw would be a perfectly fine way of maiming another animal; especially when you can bite through bone.
No. You just can't counter my points and repeatedly repeat the same B.S. Edited by Tyrant, Aug 6 2012, 08:00 PM.
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| Tyrant | Aug 6 2012, 07:59 PM Post #90 |
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We have proof that trex's frequently fought each other, but no evidence for carcharodontosaurus fighting each other what so ever.
If its a juvnile and your tactic is to bite and run; yeah it is.
Stan got bit in the skull more than a few times; so I would say tyrannosaurs could deal with blood loss well. I also think their is fossil evidence of trex's surviving trike stab wounds which reinforces my argument.
On boney jaws with little blood in them? That's like saying I can cause you to bleed out by biting your finger off.
Okay explain to me how its going to get a trex to bleed out by biting a boney body part with very little blood and evidence that they could survive massive blood loss? P.S. give me a single fossil of a large theropod that was injured/killed by carcharodontosaurus. Edited by Tyrant, Aug 6 2012, 08:00 PM.
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You fail to realise t rex didnt have skulls of steel nor were they completely bony. T rex was a vvvveerrryyy slow turner so charcho could easily out flank rex and sever its ligaments.but if rex is gonna bite eachothers lower jaws then I guess their no dumber than charchy. Lol t rex wasnt the king when it was outgunned by charcho and giga. This fight is 50/50 tops. You keep saying bite force and durability well let me ask you something
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