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| Taipan | Jun 10 2012, 08:22 PM Post #31 |
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And here you go again. No one gives a crap about the kind of organised animal cruelty you post as evidence as it is clearly not natural behaviour. If you had any credibility you too would be correcting AK47s error, instead you've started on the excuse path - "knowing that one on one fighs would be rare in the natural wolrd of these social species". Doesnt stop Lions or even the rare wolf 1 on 1. Edited by Taipan, Jun 10 2012, 10:31 PM.
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| ak47 | Jun 10 2012, 11:00 PM Post #32 |
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| Canidae | Jun 10 2012, 11:12 PM Post #33 |
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Canines have superior jaws in most aspects: bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times - by default superior weaponry. Whilst there's a paper on intraspecific strife that mentions Coyotes, I don't need to find an account of a Coyote killing another coyote - they maul & kill C. Lynx and Bobcats as it is. Not found a feline killing other carnivorans outside of ambush or a large weight advantage yet? |
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| Veli | Jun 10 2012, 11:15 PM Post #34 |
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well wolves live in much smaller packs than most other canids, some percentage even lead solitary lives, and i doubt you could provide much accounts of lionesses killing lionesses one on one, even male lions probably die in fair (one v one) battles less often than wolves |
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| Taipan | Jun 10 2012, 11:21 PM Post #35 |
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You'd think they could actually kill each other in a fight then Post away with your excuses Canidae, you are getting famous for it!
Only young ones and or females in numbers.
Yeah, hyenas, bears, other felines of their own and other species. Nothing for canines yet? I wasnt looking for another bunch of excuses Veli, that's Canidae's job. Go and find some accounts of canines killing themselves 1 on 1 if you want to contribute something useful to this deabate. Edited by Taipan, Jun 10 2012, 11:36 PM.
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| Canidae | Jun 10 2012, 11:35 PM Post #36 |
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I'm sure they could, if the species lacking data had any instances recorded.
And adult males, very possibly alone.
If you're referring to the accounts you posted before, then just as I suspected, ambushes or youngsters! Canines have killed felines : Coyotes - Bobcats, C. Lynx, Fox - Domestic Cat. Mustelids : Foxes - Pine Martens. Bears : Wolf - Young Black Bear, Yearling Grizzly. |
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| Taipan | Jun 10 2012, 11:44 PM Post #37 |
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No I didnt want excuses - I'm sick of them from the last thread(s).
So you think that they do that alone, but they dont fight & kill each other alone. Cut the crap.
Your 'suspected's are your own. And the above you provide are easily as 'suspected' group attacks on young specimens. Come on post away with some canine 1 on 1 fatal fights and quit your diversions and excuses. |
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| Veli | Jun 10 2012, 11:48 PM Post #38 |
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thats hardy an excuses, just an explanations, you said that social lifestyle doesn't stop lions or wolves killing opponents one on one:yes i would agree but situations of wolves/lions and dholes, african wild dogs, bush dogs differs. wolves and lions forage alone much more often than dholes or painted dogs so chances of aggressive confrontations between single wolves/lions is much higher compared with other more social canines. I dont need to find anything, here are some people who already did, wolves have been recorded killing each other one on one plus single coyotes and wolves kill domestic dogs quite often, but if you posted accounts of lionesses killing each other one on one this would certainly strengthen your point that cats are more combative
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| Canidae | Jun 10 2012, 11:51 PM Post #39 |
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They spend a lot of time alone, and often forage / hunt alone. Most lilkely times they'd encounter a cat! Besides, there are accounts of lone Coyotes doing it as it is. |
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| Taipan | Jun 10 2012, 11:51 PM Post #40 |
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No I didnt want anymore excuses Veli - you need to do something useful for Canidae - go and find accounts of canines killing other canines 1 on 1 in fights. No more excuses or diversions - simply post the accounts please. |
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| Taipan | Jun 10 2012, 11:53 PM Post #41 |
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No more diversions or excuses Canidae - you've been doing this for far too long. Come on post away with some canine 1 on 1 fatal fights and quit your diversions and excuses. |
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| Lycaon | Jun 11 2012, 04:25 AM Post #42 |
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Done. At least you noted you want to leave out domestic canines killing each other one on one when you were ranting. That's all I could care about. |
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| Ophiophagy | Jun 11 2012, 04:35 AM Post #43 |
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I agree w taipan
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| FelinePowah | Jun 11 2012, 05:31 AM Post #44 |
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It was called a patterbringahumanalong terrier
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| Veli | Jun 11 2012, 05:36 AM Post #45 |
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i dont see where i used any excuses I've just pointed out the obviuos, if you dont have any counter-arguments then let it be. canines are social animals of course there will be less mortalities in one v one conflicts, wolves forage alone more often than other wild canids probably thats why there are accounts of deadly one v one fights ok then post an account of a deadly fight between two lionesses |
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Post away with your excuses Canidae, you are getting famous for it!

9:50 AM Jul 11