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rat attacks group of cats
Topic Started: Jun 9 2012, 06:23 PM (8,263 Views)
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Jun 12 2012, 10:17 PM
And given the above - very very few instances of 1 on 1 mortality from fighting. So if anyone else wants to start posting crap about cats "never fighting head on" or felinae lacking the weaponary to kill opponents in 1 on 1 fights, they may want to consider than 1 on 1 fatal fights are far more frequent in the feline world than the canine world - even in populations of the rarest feline species:




Funny, I never said anthing of the sort.
Yet you instantly decided to bring in and bash canids in an invalid argument.
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@taipan what dogs have you lived with or owned?
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Jun 12 2012, 10:17 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 01:46 AM
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Jun 11 2012, 07:38 PM
There's over 30 species of wild canines, surely wolves aren't the only ones capable.
You're right, wolves aren't the only ones capable, but are the most heavily studied and have the highest interspecific aggression and mortality rates from it.
And given the above - very very few instances of 1 on 1 mortality from fighting. So if anyone else wants to start posting crap about cats "never fighting head on" or felinae lacking the weaponary to kill opponents in 1 on 1 fights, they may want to consider than 1 on 1 fatal fights are far more frequent in the feline world than the canine world - even in populations of the rarest feline species:

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Cats never fighting head on is more towards their tendency to flee from similar sized competitors/prey items in face to face conflicts.
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Jun 13 2012, 06:14 AM
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Jun 12 2012, 10:17 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 01:46 AM
Taipan
Jun 11 2012, 07:38 PM
There's over 30 species of wild canines, surely wolves aren't the only ones capable.
You're right, wolves aren't the only ones capable, but are the most heavily studied and have the highest interspecific aggression and mortality rates from it.
And given the above - very very few instances of 1 on 1 mortality from fighting. So if anyone else wants to start posting crap about cats "never fighting head on" or felinae lacking the weaponary to kill opponents in 1 on 1 fights, they may want to consider than 1 on 1 fatal fights are far more frequent in the feline world than the canine world - even in populations of the rarest feline species:

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Cats never fighting head on is more towards their tendency to flee from similar sized competitors/prey items in face to face conflicts.
That could be said for all predators.
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Jun 13 2012, 06:42 AM
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Jun 13 2012, 06:14 AM
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Jun 12 2012, 10:17 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 01:46 AM
Taipan
Jun 11 2012, 07:38 PM
There's over 30 species of wild canines, surely wolves aren't the only ones capable.
You're right, wolves aren't the only ones capable, but are the most heavily studied and have the highest interspecific aggression and mortality rates from it.
And given the above - very very few instances of 1 on 1 mortality from fighting. So if anyone else wants to start posting crap about cats "never fighting head on" or felinae lacking the weaponary to kill opponents in 1 on 1 fights, they may want to consider than 1 on 1 fatal fights are far more frequent in the feline world than the canine world - even in populations of the rarest feline species:

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Cats never fighting head on is more towards their tendency to flee from similar sized competitors/prey items in face to face conflicts.
That could be said for all predators.
Except maybe hyaenidae, it's irrelevant, the initial assertion still has some truth.
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Jun 10 2012, 05:51 AM
Its funny how the dogs are always sooo much bigger then the cats that they beat up/kill

Lets see a dog kill a cat of equal size and then you can boast.......i think ill be waiting a long time.
terriers have killed both Felis silvestris and Felis catus
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Jun 13 2012, 01:50 PM
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Jun 10 2012, 05:51 AM
Its funny how the dogs are always sooo much bigger then the cats that they beat up/kill

Lets see a dog kill a cat of equal size and then you can boast.......i think ill be waiting a long time.
terriers have killed both Felis silvestris and Felis catus
Terriers are on average bigger then cats.
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Jun 12 2012, 11:43 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 10:17 PM
And given the above - very very few instances of 1 on 1 mortality from fighting. So if anyone else wants to start posting crap about cats "never fighting head on" or felinae lacking the weaponary to kill opponents in 1 on 1 fights, they may want to consider than 1 on 1 fatal fights are far more frequent in the feline world than the canine world - even in populations of the rarest feline species:
Funny, I never said anthing of the sort.
Yet you instantly decided to bring in and bash canids in an invalid argument.
I didnt introduce canines into this at all - go and check page 1 of this thread. All I did was correct a common (ignorant) misconception. "Bash canids" - truth hurt you did it? I gave you ample opportunity to present evidence. You failed.

ak47
Jun 13 2012, 12:26 AM
@taipan what dogs have you lived with or owned?
This ain't a chatline ak47.
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Jun 13 2012, 08:14 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 11:43 PM
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Jun 12 2012, 10:17 PM
And given the above - very very few instances of 1 on 1 mortality from fighting. So if anyone else wants to start posting crap about cats "never fighting head on" or felinae lacking the weaponary to kill opponents in 1 on 1 fights, they may want to consider than 1 on 1 fatal fights are far more frequent in the feline world than the canine world - even in populations of the rarest feline species:
Funny, I never said anthing of the sort.
Yet you instantly decided to bring in and bash canids in an invalid argument.
I didnt introduce canines into this at all - go and check page 1 of this thread. All I did was correct a common (ignorant) misconception. "Bash canids" - truth hurt you did it? I gave you ample opportunity to present evidence. You failed.

ak47
Jun 13 2012, 12:26 AM
@taipan what dogs have you lived with or owned?
This ain't a chatline ak47.
lol I see............
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Jun 13 2012, 08:14 PM
I didnt introduce canines into this at all - go and check page 1 of this thread. All I did was correct a common (ignorant) misconception. "Bash canids" - truth hurt you did it? I gave you ample opportunity to present evidence. You failed.
Go read that paper by Polis.

Besides, you did - claiming canids as being inferior is unproven B.S - 'bashing' indeed!
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Jun 13 2012, 09:03 PM
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Jun 13 2012, 08:14 PM
I didnt introduce canines into this at all - go and check page 1 of this thread. All I did was correct a common (ignorant) misconception. "Bash canids" - truth hurt you did it? I gave you ample opportunity to present evidence. You failed.
Go read that paper by Polis.

Besides, you did - claiming canids as being inferior is unproven B.S - 'bashing' indeed!
Look - "Cats have far more serious 1 on 1 fights than dogs leading to fatalities. Apart from a few instances with wolves, the canine crew can't find any 1 on 1 fatal fights for canines. This is not the case for cats with detailed cases of felines from lynx & ocelot through to lions and tigers killining each others in fights exists. Canines simply are inferior fighters with inferior weaponary."

^ You failed to prove otherwise! I think you are just sensitive.
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Jun 13 2012, 09:17 PM
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Jun 13 2012, 09:03 PM
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Jun 13 2012, 08:14 PM
I didnt introduce canines into this at all - go and check page 1 of this thread. All I did was correct a common (ignorant) misconception. "Bash canids" - truth hurt you did it? I gave you ample opportunity to present evidence. You failed.
Go read that paper by Polis.

Besides, you did - claiming canids as being inferior is unproven B.S - 'bashing' indeed!
Look - "Cats have far more serious 1 on 1 fights than dogs leading to fatalities. Apart from a few instances with wolves, the canine crew can't find any 1 on 1 fatal fights for canines. This is not the case for cats with detailed cases of felines from lynx & ocelot through to lions and tigers killining each others in fights exists. Canines simply are inferior fighters with inferior weaponary."

^ You failed to prove otherwise! I think you are just sensitive.
Sure cats have more intraspecific fatalities.
No denying that!

But inferior weaponary? I repeat : bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.
I'll believe they're inferior fighters when a healthy one is beaten by a felid at similar weights without an ambush.
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Jun 13 2012, 09:22 PM
But inferior weaponary? I repeat : bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.
I'll believe they're inferior fighters when a healthy one is beaten by a felid at similar weights without an ambush.
But you cant hardly find an example of a wild canine beating a wild canine at similar weights. So much for this bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.

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Jun 13 2012, 09:26 PM
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Jun 13 2012, 09:22 PM
But inferior weaponary? I repeat : bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.
I'll believe they're inferior fighters when a healthy one is beaten by a felid at similar weights without an ambush.
But you cant hardly find an example of a wild canine beating a wild canine at similar weights. So much for this bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.

What relevance does it have to how it'd fair in a fight with a completely different animal?
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Jun 13 2012, 09:28 PM
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Jun 13 2012, 09:26 PM
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Jun 13 2012, 09:22 PM
But inferior weaponary? I repeat : bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.
I'll believe they're inferior fighters when a healthy one is beaten by a felid at similar weights without an ambush.
But you cant hardly find an example of a wild canine beating a wild canine at similar weights. So much for this bite force, R-shift, length of jaw, bite times, etc.

What relevance does it have to how it'd fair in a fight with a completely different animal?
If you cant kill your own, you are going to struggle even more against a superior fighter.

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Jun 13 2012, 09:22 PM
I'll believe they're inferior fighters when a healthy one is beaten by a felid at similar weights without an ambush.


Like you did when the Leopard fought off 5 attacking hyenas.

Excuse time Canidae! rolleyes

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