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rat attacks group of cats
Topic Started: Jun 9 2012, 06:23 PM (8,260 Views)
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ImperialDino
Jun 16 2012, 02:20 PM
NO domestic cat, scottish wildcat or african wildcat could kill an artic fox within seconds, maybe a RAT, SQUIRREL OR MOUSE but not an artic fox.
Not within seconds, but it could certainly overpower and kill one. Red foxes get the better of cats because on average they are bigger. A cat is stronger then a fox at parity.
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Taipan
 
Ocelots do kill each other in 1 on 1 fights, yet you never doubted the Dholes ability to kill a similar sized carnivoran even though no evidence exists of them doing so, even with their own kind.

They take more impressive prey.
Besides, squat has been observed in Dhole intraspecific interaction outside of pack members. I backed the Dhole on weaponary and killing ability.

Taipan
 
Grow up. I gave you ample opportunity to establish the above as incorrect, and you failed.

Still ignoring studies of bite force, R-shift, jaw length, biting speed, etc then?
It is incorrect, and the studies ^ prove it!


Taipan
 
Yet in your typical style you posted a string of excuses failing to accept the vailidity of the above.

Your biased opinion isn't valid. How an Ocelot kills and Ocelot has no bearing on what it'd do with a canid, mustelid, anything other than a felid. Even then it may treat another felid differentley!

Taipan
 
Had you any degree of unbiased credibility as a poster you would have been more concerned with:

I was more concerned with your ignorant, baseless comments on canids.

Taipan
 
You hang on to that excuse then Canidae, because ignoring accounts you certainly cant mount a sensible intelligent case for a Hyena defeating a Leopard.

You should stop ignoring facts on hyena behaviour and population demographics as 'excuses'.
I also didn't ignore the accounts.
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Jun 16 2012, 08:31 PM
Taipan
 
Ocelots do kill each other in 1 on 1 fights, yet you never doubted the Dholes ability to kill a similar sized carnivoran even though no evidence exists of them doing so, even with their own kind.

They take more impressive prey.
Besides, squat has been observed in Dhole intraspecific interaction outside of pack members. I backed the Dhole on weaponary and killing ability.
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Still, I doubt one could kill a Dhole or similar sized carnivoran from prey taken and lack of interaction with other animals than being killed by larger cats.


And here is why you fail is no so many debates - you dont listen and have so much to learn. I've repeatedly told you not confuse predation and fighting, yet - "I doubt one could kill a Dhole or similar sized carnivoran from prey taken and lack of interaction with other animals than being killed by larger cats."

Think next time.

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Taipan
 
Grow up. I gave you ample opportunity to establish the above as incorrect, and you failed.

Still ignoring studies of bite force, R-shift, jaw length, biting speed, etc
It is incorrect, and the studies ^ prove it


Small through to big felines kill each other in 1 on 1 fights demonstrating their fighting skill and lethal weaponary. You have a handful of wolf accounts and thats it. So much for "bite force, R-shift, jaw length, biting speed, etc " in a fight.

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Taipan
 
Yet in your typical style you posted a string of excuses failing to accept the vailidity of the above.

Your biased opinion isn't valid. How an Ocelot kills and Ocelot has no bearing on what it'd do with a canid, mustelid, anything other than a felid. Even then it may treat another felid differentley!


Its no opinion - "Cats have far more serious 1 on 1 fights than dogs leading to fatalities. Apart from a few instances with wolves, the canine crew can't find any 1 on 1 fatal fights for canines. This is not the case for cats with detailed cases of felines from lynx & ocelot through to lions and tigers killining each others in fights exists. Canines simply are inferior fighters with inferior weaponary."

Gave you the chance to counter it and you typically failed, and still can't accept the vailidity of the above.

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Taipan
 
Had you any degree of unbiased credibility as a poster you would have been more concerned with:

I was more concerned with your ignorant, baseless comments on canids.


I'm schooling you on the topic of canids. I wasn't the one googling 1 on 1 fatalities for wild canine species. I already knew the outcome.

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Taipan
 
You hang on to that excuse then Canidae, because ignoring accounts you certainly cant mount a sensible intelligent case for a Hyena defeating a Leopard.

You should stop ignoring facts on hyena behaviour and population demographics as 'excuses'.
I also didn't ignore the accounts.


Both the accounts or any attempt by you to mount a sensible intelligent case for a Hyena defeating a Leopard have failed.

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Taipan
 
Think next time.

So prey only matters when a felid takes impressive items like say...Warthog?
But if a canid does something impressive...don't confuse the two!

Taipan
 
So much for "bite force, R-shift, jaw length, biting speed, etc " in a fight.

They're facts, get over it.

Taipan
 
Canines simply are inferior fighters with inferior weaponary."

Studies dispute this and yet you just can't accept the facts presented above!

Taipan
 
I already knew the outcome.

You didn't seem aware of Polis' paper.

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Both the accounts or any attempt by you to mount a sensible intelligent case for a Hyena defeating a Leopard have failed.

According to you and you only. rolleyes
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Jun 17 2012, 12:49 AM
Taipan
 
Think next time.

So prey only matters when a felid takes impressive items like say...Warthog?
But if a canid does something impressive...don't confuse the two!

No the Warthog discussion related to grappling and was a clear demonstration of the inability of the Hyena to deal with dangerous opponents 1 on 1. You again failed to counter that in any intelligent manner.

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Taipan
 
So much for "bite force, R-shift, jaw length, biting speed, etc " in a fight.

They're facts, get over it.


Yeah these are the facts: so much for "bite force, R-shift, jaw length, biting speed, etc " in a fight.

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Taipan
 
Canines simply are inferior fighters with inferior weaponary."

Studies dispute this and yet you just can't accept the facts presented above!


Which studies establish canines as superior fighters with superior weaponary?

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Taipan
 
I already knew the outcome.

You didn't seem aware of Polis' paper.


You found that in your google frenzy did you?

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Taipan
 
Both the accounts or any attempt by you to mount a sensible intelligent case for a Hyena defeating a Leopard have failed.

According to you and you only. rolleyes


Thats right, keep consoling yourself with that one Canidae. rolleyes

AnywayI'm locking this cat v rat topic, if you want to continue Canidae find a relevant thread. Tip to you though, next time avoid letting your sensitivities get the better of you.






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