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| Das Monster von Minden; A dino found in Germany | ||
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| Topic Started: Jun 10 2012, 04:09 AM (2,123 Views) | ||
| Jinfengopteryx | Jun 10 2012, 04:09 AM Post #1 | |
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Has somebody got some info about a Allosaurid found in Germany, called "Das Monster von Minden"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Monster_von_Minden Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Jul 6 2012, 02:46 AM.
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| theropod | Jun 10 2012, 05:21 AM Post #2 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Monster_von_Minden Not more than what the wikipedia article contains. Unfortunately, there basically are no reliable sources on it, even less than for The Monster Of Aramberri. It seems like there is not one single scientific source stating anything about it, apart from the Dinosaur mailing list used as a source for the article, but the post doesn´t seem reliable, as it gave some very odd size estimates for Deltadromaeus, T rex and Saurophaganax. As far as there is no source stating the opposite, I would simply consider it Allosaurus/Saurophaganax. And I wouldn´t be surprised if actually the largest Theropods are yet to be discovered and lived during the jurassic. 1,5 time the size of allosaurus really is a gigantic size, and it is about the same range as the largest saurophaganax estimates. |
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| theropod | Jun 10 2012, 05:23 AM Post #3 | |
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but the sugested skull lenght of 1m and the lenght given for the fibula don´t seem to be reasonable for an allosaurus of 15m in lenght. So either the measurements aren´t correct, or the upper size estimates aren´t. | |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Jun 10 2012, 05:59 AM Post #4 | |
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The more interessting question is what an A. maximus should feed on in such a habitat. | |
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| theropod | Jun 10 2012, 06:17 AM Post #5 | |
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| MantisShrimp | Jun 10 2012, 10:59 AM Post #6 | |
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Hey Guys, there is more information on the Monster von Minden, though it is not easy too find. There is some information on this page (in German): http://www.lwl.org/LWL/Kultur/WMfN/Bodendenkmalpflege/Projekte/Grabungen_Wiehengebirge/ So there are at least 2 Theropod specimens from the same quarry, that might also explain why there are so much discrepancies between the estimated lenghts. And atleast 1 of them seems to be related to Torvosaurus. I also think that there might be more more information on it in some publications of the LWL, but they are paper only and it would be rather expensive to buy the relevant ones that might give little spoilers on the fossils. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Jun 10 2012, 05:02 PM Post #7 | |
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Thank you very much! That with the croc and the sauropod is interessting. Maybe the Sauropod is a Cetiosaurus.(Is there something about the size?)If it's a big, there would be enough food for a gigant meat eater. I've also read something about a Dryosaur, a Lexovisaur and marine Reptiles. Again Thank you, it was very useful. |
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| theropod | Jun 10 2012, 06:51 PM Post #8 | |
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Thanks! That´s very useful. 
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| Jinfengopteryx | Jun 10 2012, 07:10 PM Post #9 | |
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So the 14m Torvosaurus could exist? The Allosaurus was maybe an A. europeaus. |
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| MantisShrimp | Jun 11 2012, 06:56 AM Post #10 | |
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Well the problem is that we do not know which specimen refers to which specific claim. There are claims of banana sized teeth and ribs 1,5 size of Allosaurus(If that realy holds true, who knows?) , aswell as the rather small skull. Years ago I saw a pic of a reconstructed skull that looked very much like Torvosaurus´. So the smaller specimen seems to be a Megalosaurid. Probably no one knows what the larger parts may be? Maybe be even a Chimera (Pliosaur teeth?). |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Jun 11 2012, 11:30 PM Post #11 | |
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I only thought that it could be possible for a megalosaurid to grow larger than Torvosaurus. Would this be possible? | |
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| brolyeuphyfusion | Jun 11 2012, 11:42 PM Post #12 | |
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This seems like a dinosaur that would really demolish T. rex in a battle. This may as well be the second largest theropod ever(are allosaurids bulkier than spinosaurids?) I can see the T. rex fans whining about their favorite dinosaur get demolished by the "Monster of Minden" I would really like it if they found more remains. If this dinosaur is really an Allosaurus, then it would make some sense, the Jurassic had an abundance of sauropods, and this particular species evolved to hunt them. I don't really see why theropods have to evolve the largest sizes in the Cretaceous where smaller ornithopods are more common. |
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| theropod | Jun 12 2012, 12:00 AM Post #13 | |
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That´s similar to what George Blasing said in one of his videos. It would make sense if the largest Theropods actually leived during the jurassic. There were estimates of 15m for Saurophaganax. i doubt that the known specimens really were that large, but I´m quite sure that there were theropods that size during the upper jurassic, exactly for that reason: the abundance of huge prey. How massive an extinct animal is in built is artistic freedom for a good part, as we can´t know how much muscle mass the torso contained. I´m rather sceptical about some of the very bulky restorations of theropods, as they were bipedal and so much weight would have made them slow and unstable. Yes, some T rex fans would be very sad if they once more saw that Tyrannosaurus doesn´t stand a chance. But the ones i know simply wouldn´t listen to any arguments against it, so they wouldn´t even notice that it would lose. @jinfengopteryx I could imagine a Torvosaurus that large, it´s simply built to be huge. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Jun 12 2012, 03:09 AM Post #14 | |
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Some T-rex Fans are even claiming that Saurophaganax did not grow larger than 9m!! I don't know where they got this info from. @theropod What do you think is the max size for this creature? Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Jan 31 2013, 03:10 AM.
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| Temnospondyl | Jun 20 2012, 08:30 PM Post #15 | |
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How big was it? | |
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My blog on Carnivora Extinct animals wiki Speculative Evolution by Me 
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