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| Clouded Leopard v Mandrill | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 11 2012, 06:21 PM (2,480 Views) | |
| Taipan | Jun 11 2012, 06:21 PM Post #1 |
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Clouded Leopard - Neofelis nebulosa The clouded leopard (Neofelis nebulosa) is a felid found from the Himalayan foothills through mainland Southeast Asia into China, and has been classified as vulnerable in 2008 by IUCN. Clouded leopards have a tan or tawny coat, and are distinctively marked with large, irregularly-shaped, dark-edged ellipses which are said to be shaped like clouds. This unique appearance gave the cat both its common and scientific species name—nebulosus is Latin for "cloudy". The clouded leopard was confusing to scientists for a long time because of its appearance and skeleton. It seemed to be a cross between a big cat and a small cat. The average clouded leopard typically weighs between 15 and 23 kilograms (33 and 51 lb), and has a shoulder height of 25 to 40 centimetres (9.8 to 16 in). Females have a head-body length varying from 68 to 94 centimetres (27 to 37 in), with a 61 to 82 centimetres (24 to 32 in) tail, while the males are larger at 81 to 108 centimetres (32 to 43 in) with a 74 to 91 centimetres (29 to 36 in) tail. Clouded leopards have a heavy build and, proportionately, the longest canine teeth of any living felid—of 2 inches (5.1 cm), about the same as a tiger's. These characteristics led early researchers to speculate that they preyed on large land-dwelling mammals. Because of the animal's reclusive nature, the behavior of the clouded leopard in the wild is little known. With no evidence for a pack or pride society like that of the lion, it is assumed that it is a generally solitary creature, and it appears to be primarily nocturnal. Clouded leopards are largely arboreal, hunting prey in the trees, and also using trees to rest during the day. However, they spend a significant proportion of their time on the ground, and sometimes inhabit environments without tall trees.  Mandrill - Mandrillus sphinx The mandrill (Mandrillus sphinx) is a primate of the Old World monkey (Cercopithecidae) family, closely related to the baboons and even more closely to the drill. It is found in southern Cameroon, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, and Congo. Mandrills mostly live in tropical rainforests and forest-savanna mosaics. They live in groups called "hordes". Mandrills have an omnivorous diet consisting mostly of fruits and insects. Their mating season takes place from June to October. Males average 25–35 kg (55-77 lb); females are less than half that weight (11–14 kg, or 25-30 lb). Unusually large males can weigh 50 kg (110 lb). The average male is 81–90 cm (32–36 in) and the female is 56–66 cm (22–26 in), with the tail adding another 5–8 cm (2–3 in). They can survive up to 31 years in captivity. Females reach sexual maturity at about 3.5 years. The mandrill has one of the greatest sexual dimorphisms among the primates.  ___________________________________________________________________________
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| Arctodus Simus | Jun 11 2012, 07:25 PM Post #2 |
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A male Mandrill wouldn't have too much trouble killing a Clouded Leopard IMO. A female Mandrill and a would be pretty even I think. |
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| JaM | Jun 11 2012, 07:45 PM Post #3 |
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Male vs male, the mandrill would win. They're outside the normal size range for a CL, and at 50 kg, a very large mandrill would be twice the size of a very large CL (~25 kg). Female vs female, I think the CL would prevail in most cases. The female is more slender than the male: http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/155481/530wm/C0092851-Mandrill-SPL.jpg I voted mandrill, based on a male encounter. Edited by JaM, Jun 11 2012, 07:47 PM.
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| Fishfreak | Jun 11 2012, 07:48 PM Post #4 |
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^agree |
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| k9boy | Jun 11 2012, 08:34 PM Post #5 |
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At parity the CL wins, but a male mandrill is just too big. |
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| Bandog | Jun 11 2012, 10:15 PM Post #6 |
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While the mandrill gets a bit big in its upper range, I'd back the kitty at parity. |
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| Wild | Jun 12 2012, 02:22 AM Post #7 |
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At average weights with males I back the CL the mandrill doesn't have the predatory know-how.The mandrill would have no idea where to land a lethal bite .Also its thin skin would be easily penetrated by the cat's claws so it could get a good grip. Once it has secured a hold on the violent thrashing primate I imagine it going in for a throat bite with those two inch canines. The mandrill's fists wouldn't present too much of a problem it would have to apply and immense force for the blunt force trauma to injure the cat. It would be a very close fight IMO.
Edited by Wild, Jun 12 2012, 02:26 AM.
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| Elephantus | Jun 12 2012, 02:25 AM Post #8 |
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The mandrill definitely. Bigger, stronger, and aggressive as hell. |
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| Wild | Jun 12 2012, 02:27 AM Post #9 |
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Still its missing that predatory know how and also I imagine a cornered CL would be aggressive as hell too. |
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| Elephantus | Jun 12 2012, 02:32 AM Post #10 |
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Mandrills ARE capable of killing other animals. They DO have good weaponry. They are considerably bigger then the CL and have those immense canines. Mandrills can use their dextrous hands to subdue the leopard as well. Saying that you would favor an animal because of "predatory instinct" is a bad way of looking at things. A Cape Buffalo doesnt have predatory knowledge, but look at how it is able to fend off an entire pride of lions. |
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| Elephantus | Jun 12 2012, 02:34 AM Post #11 |
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Baboons kill each other in fights. There is also cases of baboons seriously injuring or even killing leopards (though they tend to gang up on them, since they are smaller). |
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| Wild | Jun 12 2012, 02:38 AM Post #12 |
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but a cape buffalo isn't thinking "I gotta impale the lion in a certain spot to kill it" it just randomly charges with its horns at every attacker. Also CL's are quite flexible and I have no doubt one would be able to escape a madrill's hold. Plus they have those claws that they could use to tear open wounds in the mandrill while they grapple. Yes the mandrill's have big canines but again does it know where to bite? |
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| Elephantus | Jun 12 2012, 02:45 AM Post #13 |
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Even without predatory instinct, a bite from the mandrill (among other tactics) is going to severely wound the cat. Same thing with the gore of a buffalo, or the tusks of a pig. They dont need to be predators and strike the perfect spot for them to be effective. Also, why exactly would the CL's predatory abilities help it out to the extent you are saying they would? This is a face to face fight, not ambush. Clouded Leopards are probably the masters of ambush strikes. Their huge canines are the perfect way to dispatch a larger opponent quickly, without them retaliating, but that is in ambush only. In a face-off, it wont have that luxury and will find it much, much harder to use its "predatory" skills against an large and aware enemy. Edited by Elephantus, Jun 12 2012, 02:50 AM.
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| Wild | Jun 12 2012, 02:48 AM Post #14 |
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Can I see a case of baboons injuring or killing a leopard or baboons killing each other in fights? Even if there was a case of that it's not surprising considering the leopard might be severely outnumbered. You don't need predatory skill when you have numbers and big teeth. But one on one is a completely different story. Also in any cases where they actually kill each other imagine there is a long struggle and the fight lasts quite a while so they have the opportunity to bit each other in multiple areas till one of them dies of its wounds its not like they have any certain "kill spots" they just grapple and bite. |
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| Wild | Jun 12 2012, 02:52 AM Post #15 |
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Still remember the CL has those claws too that will help keep the mandrill at bay. Also claws paired with canines make for excellent weaponry. a bite form the mandrill might not cause as much damage as a you think considering the cat's skin is quite durable. Also the bite will not be landed in any precise area so it won't be as devastating. Face to face any animal that is cornered can be quite dangerous. |
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