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| Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,522 Views) | |
| Taipan | Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM Post #1 |
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Dire Wolf - Canis dirus The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous. ![]() Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs). ______________________________________________________________________
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| Black Ice | Jul 16 2016, 02:08 AM Post #211 |
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150-175lbs with a max of 240lbs. |
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| HyperNova | Jul 16 2016, 04:57 AM Post #212 |
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Have you a source for that? Your estimate seems a bit hight. According to blaze, the average weight of the dire wolf is 60 kilo (range 46-70kg) for those from rancho LaBrea and 68 kilo (range 56-77kg) for those from the west coast, maybe they were different subspecies? I don't know if this estimate also include subadult individuals thought. From blaze : http://carnivoraforum.com/single/?p=8696414&t=10154895 Edited by HyperNova, Jul 16 2016, 05:17 AM.
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| ZOANTHROPY | Jul 16 2016, 05:29 AM Post #213 |
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Autotrophic Organism
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Eastern subspieces were bigger then western (which those calculations are) and if u consider bergmanns rule then la brea ranch is quite south of America so further north there must've been some 200 plus dire wolves. |
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| HyperNova | Jul 16 2016, 05:34 AM Post #214 |
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Have you an accurate weight estimate for eastern dire wolf? 200 pounds sound way too much for the average weight. |
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| ZOANTHROPY | Jul 16 2016, 06:41 AM Post #215 |
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Autotrophic Organism
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Yes we'll no one can say for sure because they can only weigh the bone mass but you have to take a estimate of how heavy they were. Cause think about how large the animal is plus organs hair and there daily diet |
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| Black Ice | Jul 16 2016, 07:30 AM Post #216 |
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| HyperNova | Jul 16 2016, 08:14 AM Post #217 |
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Thanks for the info, but I was actually referring to your average weight estimate (150-175 pounds) which I found a bit high. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 16 2016, 08:29 AM Post #218 |
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The evidence was already posted by Ausar. |
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| Black Panther | Jul 16 2016, 08:32 AM Post #219 |
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Isn't the dire wolf already the size of a large grey wolf? And a grey wolf could 50/50 or possibly win against the spotted hyena. So a larger, bulkier wolf should win. |
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| HyperNova | Jul 16 2016, 08:48 AM Post #220 |
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@Black Ice In which thread he posts these evidences? |
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| Nergigante | Nov 8 2016, 03:08 PM Post #221 |
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Who has the stronger bite? |
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| Finderskeepers | Nov 8 2016, 03:16 PM Post #222 |
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Dire wolf has stronger bite force. Modern wolves already have a max bite force of 1,200 psi according to the articles I read. Hyenas only have a max bite force of 1,100 psi also according to the articles I read. |
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| HerpestidaeB4Cat | Nov 8 2016, 06:21 PM Post #223 |
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im rooting for the dire wolf because i hate hyenas but the hyena would take it sadly i saw three hyenas maul one male hyena and its almost impossible for them to hurt each other so they just taught him a lesson and bit his ear off because hyenas have a lot of trouble hurting each other because they are so damn robust .. hyena wins |
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| Black Panther | Nov 9 2016, 02:38 AM Post #224 |
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So much wrong with this post. 1. You shouldn't let your meaningless hate for an animal cloud your judgement. 2.three hyenas attacking one hyena is not comparable to a dire wolf hell bent on killing the hynea. 3.wolves are incredibly durable to. 4.they are so hard to hurt but it got its ear bitten off? Contradicting yourself. 5. If a spotted hyena fighting a grey wolf is a 50/50 fight then the much larger much more heavily built dire wolf would dominate the hyena. |
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| Ceratodromeus | Nov 9 2016, 02:39 AM Post #225 |
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That is just sad. |
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