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| Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,520 Views) | |
| Taipan | Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM Post #1 |
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Dire Wolf - Canis dirus The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous. ![]() Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs). ______________________________________________________________________
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| Beng4lIL | May 21 2017, 02:53 AM Post #241 |
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dire wolves were 50-100 kg
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| Taipan | Oct 15 2017, 05:20 PM Post #242 |
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Heres some other weight estimates: "C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_wolf This is a closer matchup that the : Grey Wolf v Spotted Hyena matchup. The Dire Wolf is of a closer weight to te Spotted Hena and has a more robust composition. |
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| Ferreomus | Oct 15 2017, 10:32 PM Post #243 |
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Both have very impressive jaws,Thet Hyena is robust as similar sized felines so I favour it |
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| Meancat | Oct 21 2017, 02:00 PM Post #244 |
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| GallirallusAustralis | Oct 23 2017, 04:01 AM Post #245 |
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Hyena has stronger jaws and it's slightly bigger, it would win. |
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| Grazier | Oct 23 2017, 10:31 AM Post #246 |
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Does the hyena have stronger jaws? I thought we were arguing about grey wolf jaws vs hyena jaws recently and the wolf jaws were actually close if not possibly even superior. Dire wolves jaws are much bigger and stronger than even the largest grey wolf. So should be bigger and stronger than the spotted hyena too? Can someone confirm? I say dire wolf, just, not because its extinct but because I've seen how large dogs with bodies comparable to dire wolves can control hyenas, and then if you add a powerful deadly skull its easy for me to imagine that control and subjugation turning into killing. |
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| Meancat | Oct 23 2017, 12:45 PM Post #247 |
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Did you read the above post? The dire wolf is the one with the stronger bite. |
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| Ryo | Feb 24 2018, 05:46 AM Post #248 |
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Is there any studies that shows how their robustity and skull size compares? I am really curious. |
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| Meancat | Feb 24 2018, 12:09 PM Post #249 |
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In the chart posted above, BSL is skull length and SWZ is skull width. In the study that produced the chart, it said skull width was a better predictor of bite force than skull length. The hyena has the wider skull but the wolf has the stronger bite, possibly due to a smaller brain. |
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| Ryo | Feb 24 2018, 01:44 PM Post #250 |
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But how about their body robustity. |
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| Meancat | Feb 24 2018, 06:10 PM Post #251 |
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Limb robustness doesn't matter much, since neither animal can grapple. |
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| Ryo | Feb 24 2018, 10:18 PM Post #252 |
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Gotta disagree with you there and I recall such a debate has already been waged on here. Both limb and body robusticity matters even in Canids, Hyenas and Komodo Dragons. If it didn't, then a Maned Wolf would be as strong or stronger than a Gray Wolf, it does help on the durability, raw strength and ability to have less of a chance to fall over. Therefor, I am very curious about how the Dire Wolf compares to the Hyena in terms of robusticity through out the body. |
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| Grazier | Feb 25 2018, 05:21 AM Post #253 |
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Yeah of course body strength matters, IMO much more than jaw strength even if the animals only have mouths as a weapon. They still need to struggle for ascendency, its not a "stand still and bite each others mouths" competition. Then and only then would jaw strength be the lone deciding factor. |
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| CanineCanis | Feb 25 2018, 05:24 AM Post #254 |
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A Dire wolf would trash a hyena |
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| WaffleKing | Feb 25 2018, 06:35 AM Post #255 |
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Yeah I think limb robustness would actually make a difference here. |
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