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Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena
Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,517 Views)
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Dire Wolf - Canis dirus
The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous.

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Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta
The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs).

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How about Spotted hyena vs Dire wolf?


Edited by Taipan, Oct 15 2017, 05:22 PM.
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Should be noted from the pics above Cougar have their elbows placed lower on their forearm than a wolf thus you can see more of their triceps when flexed. Most of a wolves leg is forearm.

Regardless of that tidbit I'm pretty sure a bite from a Dire Wolf would do more damage than either a Hyena or a Grey Wolf (which have comparable advantages over each other themselves).

People should actually be debating if a Dire Wolf could out muscle a Hyena, over anything else.
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Black Ice
Mar 12 2018, 03:16 AM
Should be noted from the pics above Cougar have their elbows placed lower on their forearm than a wolf thus you can see more of their triceps when flexed. Most of a wolves leg is forearm.

Regardless of that tidbit I'm pretty sure a bite from a Dire Wolf would do more damage than either a Hyena or a Grey Wolf (which have comparable advantages over each other themselves).

People should actually be debating if a Dire Wolf could out muscle a Hyena, over anything else.

Another OG poster.

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It's been years, man.
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I know, but the point still stands. The forearms on a cougar look twice as thick as that of a wolfs. The wolf would need to be a lot bigger for the forelimb weights to even up.

cougars actually have some of the most impressive looking limbs out of all the cats.

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As for the dire wolf outpowering the hyena, I highly doubt it. Thats not saying the wolf can't win, but going strength vs strength with a spotted hyena isnt a smart move

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Mar 12 2018, 03:50 AM
Black Ice
Mar 12 2018, 03:16 AM
Should be noted from the pics above Cougar have their elbows placed lower on their forearm than a wolf thus you can see more of their triceps when flexed. Most of a wolves leg is forearm.

Regardless of that tidbit I'm pretty sure a bite from a Dire Wolf would do more damage than either a Hyena or a Grey Wolf (which have comparable advantages over each other themselves).

People should actually be debating if a Dire Wolf could out muscle a Hyena, over anything else.

Another OG poster.

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It's been years, man.
When I saw you & K9 posting I was like WHAT IS GOING ON.

Had to join in lol nice seeing y'all again.

As for your post K9, Cougars also lack shoulder blades (they instead have free floating clavicles) so when they put weight on their forearms you basically see their triceps bulging from the flexion. This does not mean they have much larger triceps than any canine of comparable size, it only means theirs are more easily seen.

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Compared to a male cougar, whom is not resting all his weight on his forearms.
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A cougar in a crouched position a wolf cannot imitate due to the wolf having shoulder blades with fixed points and more length to their forearm.
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The Cougars triceps look massive given the pose compared to the earlier pictures. Visuals are a poor choice of grounds. At this point we could say a cougar easily has more muscled upper arms than a Hyena too... Which isn't the case.

Let it also be known those cougar are probably bigger than the wolves posted by a decent bit. Nothing's to scale
Edited by Black Ice, Mar 12 2018, 04:22 AM.
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Ryo
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This thread turned so positive. Almost like a happy reunion haha.




NOW LET THE DEATHMATCH BEGIN!
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CanineCanis
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Seeing So many old posters while being a new guy

Anyways I still favor the Dire wolf, however Vita convinced me this is not as one sided as I thought
Edited by CanineCanis, Mar 12 2018, 06:39 AM.
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Mar 12 2018, 06:39 AM
Seeing So many old posters while being a new guy

Anyways I still favor the Dire wolf, however Vita convinced me this is not as one sided as I thought
I feel the same way lol

Can't wait to be the old timer some day😂

And yeah I favor the dire Wolf, but not counting the hyena completely out
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Grazier
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Being an old timer is pretty great B-)

I'd like to think I'm the oldest of the old timers, but I dunno, cojimar or sam1 might be right there with me. The origins of all this were a sharkattacks forum and a video of a killer whale killing a great white. I was on the sharkattacks forum as an animal rights activist to fight against the killing of sharks that attack people. Funny how the goal posts are always moving, now here I'm often accused of being pro-animal cruelty rolleyes
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me and black ice had many a debate back in the day, alot of it was exectly what we are talking about now (cougars and wolves). good to speak again starkiller.

and in reply to you, I was talking about the overall size and weight of the limb of the cougar being bigger and heavier, not specifiying an individual muscle. I wasn't posting the pictures to show off the cats muscular development compared to the wolfs, it was to show the sheer thickness of the whole limb.

all i was saying is if the limbs were the same or similar weight, the wolf would have stronger triceps. but as I said, the overall weight of a wolfs arm is definitely not as heavy as a similarly sized cougars (remember, this includes the cats thick forearms, paws and biceps in addition to the triceps)

if you were to get a wolf and cougar with similarly weighted front limbs, I would imagine you'd need a pretty large male wolf and a small female cougar.

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Yeah, the nostalgia is real.

As for your post I agree then given the scenario. Though regardless, a Dire Wolf would have a more powerful build in league with the Hyena thus this match really as I said earlier comes down to a muscle match.

In that case I give it to the Wolf. As long as it's comparable in strength to the Hyena its superior bite would give it the edge.
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The good thing about old time posters is that they seem to have the most knowledge from the forums, they seem to have the most accounts and could teach a lot to new people... like me

Anyways I favor the Dire wolf 7/10
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Should be noted from the pics above Cougar have their elbows placed lower on their forearm than a wolf thus you can see more of their triceps when flexed. Most of a wolves leg is forearm.

Regardless of that tidbit I'm pretty sure a bite from a Dire Wolf would do more damage than either a Hyena or a Grey Wolf (which have comparable advantages over each other themselves).

People should actually be debating if a Dire Wolf could out muscle a Hyena, over anything else.

Another OG poster.

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It's been years, man.
When I saw you & K9 posting I was like WHAT IS GOING ON.

Had to join in lol nice seeing y'all again.

Post something stupid about Saber cats so Vod can show up like

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It's been years, man.
When I saw you & K9 posting I was like WHAT IS GOING ON.

Had to join in lol nice seeing y'all again.

Post something stupid about Saber cats so Vod can show up like

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He won't return cause he knows saber cats are trash.

Shots fired.
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I just had to ask Black Ice, how do you feel nowadays about a dire wolf against a same-sized leopard or cougar?
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I just had to ask Black Ice, how do you feel nowadays about a dire wolf against a same-sized leopard or cougar?
About the same as I do with a Hyena vs either one. 50/50 though I give the DW slightly better chances than the Hyena of winning.

Honestly I think a DW/Hyena would edge out over a Cougar but stalemate a Leopard.
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