Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Carnivora. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena
Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,534 Views)
Taipan
Member Avatar
Administrator

Dire Wolf - Canis dirus
The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous.

Posted Image

Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta
The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs).

Posted Image

______________________________________________________________________

werewolf2012
 
How about Spotted hyena vs Dire wolf?


Edited by Taipan, Oct 15 2017, 05:22 PM.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Replies:
Superpredator
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Prehistoric Cat
Jun 18 2012, 06:23 PM
Wild Dog
Jun 18 2012, 04:35 AM
Prehistoric Cat
Jun 17 2012, 08:02 PM
The Dire Wolf was more muscular than Grey Wolves, and it had a stronger bite. It fought with Deadly Predators (3 Short Faced Bear species - Brown Bears - Smilodon - Homotherium - Xenosmilus - American Lions ...........)
But did it really "fight them" or did it just get in minor scuffles that resulted in the pack chasing off the bear from their kill and not a single animal really getting hurt?
IMO, Yes
Dire Wolves killed Giant Bisons that weigh more than 1 ton, and it wasn't easy to do that.
I don't think that they will retreat when a Giant Bear, Saber Toothed Cat or an American Lion comes to steal their Kill.
In PACKS.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Veli
Heterotrophic Organism
[ *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
and you're basing this on what?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
k9boy
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Veli
Jun 18 2012, 07:28 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
and you're basing this on what?
Well the leopard is stronger, better armed, more agile and a better fighter then a dire wolf.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Bandog
Member Avatar
Everything else is just a dog.
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:42 PM
Veli
Jun 18 2012, 07:28 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
and you're basing this on what?
Well the leopard is stronger, better armed, more agile and a better fighter then a dire wolf.
Same advantages it holds over a hyena except that the agility difference is less pronounced? The strength part is incorrect as well, at the same weights, the difference in strength is minimal. Refer to the muscle info thread.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
mohamad
Member Avatar
Heterotrophic Organism
[ *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Megafelis Fatalis
Carnivore
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Tigerkid
Jun 18 2012, 06:42 PM
In PACKS.
Of course
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
k9boy
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
mohamad
Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
I've already said why, the leopard has every advantage.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Canidae
Member Avatar
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 12:11 AM
mohamad
Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
I've already said why, the leopard has every advantage.
I.M.O wolves - and by a small default Dire Wolves - are heavily under-rated compared to other animals in their 'weight class', if you will.
They have many advantages over other predators that are often over-looked due to other animals having a single, impressive well known trait in comparison that is heavily focused upon, e.g grappling in cats, durability in hyenas, etc.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
k9boy
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Canidae
Jun 19 2012, 01:04 AM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 12:11 AM
mohamad
Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
I've already said why, the leopard has every advantage.
I.M.O wolves - and by a small default Dire Wolves - are heavily under-rated compared to other animals in their 'weight class', if you will.
They have many advantages over other predators that are often over-looked due to other animals having a single, impressive well known trait in comparison that is heavily focused upon, e.g grappling in cats, durability in hyenas, etc.
I'm not doubting they are tough, but leopards, pumas and hyenas are far superiour.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Canidae
Member Avatar
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 02:25 AM
Canidae
Jun 19 2012, 01:04 AM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 12:11 AM
mohamad
Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
I've already said why, the leopard has every advantage.
I.M.O wolves - and by a small default Dire Wolves - are heavily under-rated compared to other animals in their 'weight class', if you will.
They have many advantages over other predators that are often over-looked due to other animals having a single, impressive well known trait in comparison that is heavily focused upon, e.g grappling in cats, durability in hyenas, etc.
I'm not doubting they are tough, but leopards, pumas and hyenas are far superiour.
I wouldn't say so I.M.O, in individual aspects - yes - but the wolf is a stronger, tougher and more dangerous animal than most can think due to it's smaller size on average and slighter appearance.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
k9boy
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Canidae
Jun 19 2012, 02:36 AM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 02:25 AM
Canidae
Jun 19 2012, 01:04 AM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 12:11 AM
mohamad
Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
I've already said why, the leopard has every advantage.
I.M.O wolves - and by a small default Dire Wolves - are heavily under-rated compared to other animals in their 'weight class', if you will.
They have many advantages over other predators that are often over-looked due to other animals having a single, impressive well known trait in comparison that is heavily focused upon, e.g grappling in cats, durability in hyenas, etc.
I'm not doubting they are tough, but leopards, pumas and hyenas are far superiour.
I wouldn't say so I.M.O, in individual aspects - yes - but the wolf is a stronger, tougher and more dangerous animal than most can think due to it's smaller size on average and slighter appearance.
Who would you favour in a fight, A 60kg dire wolf vs A) a puma b)a leopard ?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wild
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Prehistoric Cat
Jun 18 2012, 06:23 PM
Wild Dog
Jun 18 2012, 04:35 AM
Prehistoric Cat
Jun 17 2012, 08:02 PM
The Dire Wolf was more muscular than Grey Wolves, and it had a stronger bite. It fought with Deadly Predators (3 Short Faced Bear species - Brown Bears - Smilodon - Homotherium - Xenosmilus - American Lions ...........)
But did it really "fight them" or did it just get in minor scuffles that resulted in the pack chasing off the bear from their kill and not a single animal really getting hurt?
IMO, Yes
Dire Wolves killed Giant Bisons that weigh more than 1 ton, and it wasn't easy to do that.
I don't think that they will retreat when a Giant Bear, Saber Toothed Cat or an American Lion comes to steal their Kill.
so their efficient hunters but a hunt isn't a fight. Ever thought the buffalo would begin to succumb to exhaustion from running or that they might have targeted weak, juvenile, or injured buffalo? Regardless there are a lot of factors in a hunt or a chase that might not come into consideration in an actual face-to-face brawl.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Canidae
Member Avatar
Omnivore
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 02:45 AM
Canidae
Jun 19 2012, 02:36 AM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 02:25 AM
Canidae
Jun 19 2012, 01:04 AM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 12:11 AM
mohamad
Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
you see it a complete mismatche  :o !!! (60 kg "dire" wolf ) can you tell me your opinion about this fight and why it a mismatch ?
I've already said why, the leopard has every advantage.
I.M.O wolves - and by a small default Dire Wolves - are heavily under-rated compared to other animals in their 'weight class', if you will.
They have many advantages over other predators that are often over-looked due to other animals having a single, impressive well known trait in comparison that is heavily focused upon, e.g grappling in cats, durability in hyenas, etc.
I'm not doubting they are tough, but leopards, pumas and hyenas are far superiour.
I wouldn't say so I.M.O, in individual aspects - yes - but the wolf is a stronger, tougher and more dangerous animal than most can think due to it's smaller size on average and slighter appearance.
Who would you favour in a fight, A 60kg dire wolf vs A) a puma b)a leopard ?
Would depend on the other animals involve, but I.M.O I'd be unsure due to the lack of real knowledge on the Dire Wolf.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Veli
Heterotrophic Organism
[ *  *  * ]
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:42 PM
Veli
Jun 18 2012, 07:28 PM
k9boy
Jun 18 2012, 07:50 AM
Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.
and you're basing this on what?
Well the leopard is stronger, better armed, more agile and a better fighter then a dire wolf.
let me ask you one thing, do you even know what dire wolf is ?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
k9boy
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Yes...Its a larger and stronger version of the modern gray wolf. Do you know what one is? Cos if you did you wouldn't doubt that a leopard could beat it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Interspecific Conflict · Next Topic »
Add Reply