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Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena
Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,533 Views)
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Dire Wolf - Canis dirus
The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous.

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Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta
The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs).

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How about Spotted hyena vs Dire wolf?


Edited by Taipan, Oct 15 2017, 05:22 PM.
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k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 06:56 AM
Yes...Its a larger and stronger version of the modern gray wolf. Do you know what one is? Cos if you did you wouldn't doubt that a leopard could beat it.
so why are you saying this

''Yeah but still not as tough as a hyena. A hyena is a tough match for a leopard, and a dire wolf vs leopard would be a complete mistmatch.''

how hyena is a tough match for leopard but a dire wolf is a complete mismatch ?
explain this

even a large grey wolf could give hyena a hell of a fight

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No it couldn't, hyenas are ABOVE canids. They are a whole new level. The only thing a dire wolf would have over a hyena is agility.
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Amphicyon
Jun 18 2012, 08:37 PM
Refer to the muscle info thread.
The problem is they never actually do.

As both are inflexible it isn't exactly relevant to this match.
It is interesting to note that both the dire wolf and hyena are very robustly built cursorial predators, although the humerus of the hyena is still more robust.

They are however not as similar as they seem, for example, the spine of the hyena is relatively bear-like (and actually more extreme in some manners).

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From “Functional-Adaptive Features and Paleobiologic Implications of the Postcranial Skeleton of the Late Miocene Sabretoth Borhyaenoid Thylacosmilus atrox”.
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k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 07:31 PM
No it couldn't, hyenas are ABOVE canids. They are a whole new level. The only thing a dire wolf would have over a hyena is agility.
yes it could but thats not the point, you still didin't explain how hyena is a tough match for leopard but a dire wolf is a complete mismatch
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k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 07:31 PM
No it couldn't, hyenas are ABOVE canids. They are a whole new level. The only thing a dire wolf would have over a hyena is agility.
Ever compared the intraspecific fatality rates between hyenas and wolves? Seems the wolf is at the advantage in that regard. When it comes to inflexible opponents, the ability to avoid being disabled is everything. This is where agility plays an enormous role. Both wolf and hyena can immobilize their opponents weapons but the wolfs greater agility makes it more likely to avoid attacks and more likely to be able to counter once it is already grabbed. Now obviously a 50 kg wolf isn't going to beat a 70kg hyena but an 80kg dire wolf would for sure IMO.
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Jun 19 2012, 08:05 PM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 07:31 PM
No it couldn't, hyenas are ABOVE canids. They are a whole new level. The only thing a dire wolf would have over a hyena is agility.
Ever compared the intraspecific fatality rates between hyenas and wolves? Seems the wolf is at the advantage in that regard. When it comes to inflexible opponents, the ability to avoid being disabled is everything. This is where agility plays an enormous role. Both wolf and hyena can immobilize their opponents weapons but the wolfs greater agility makes it more likely to avoid attacks and more likely to be able to counter once it is already grabbed. Now obviously a 50 kg wolf isn't going to beat a 70kg hyena but an 80kg dire wolf would for sure IMO.
yes dire wolf is a very stong animal but after watched a documentary about dire wolf its weigh etween 45 and 70 kg. in max weigh for a male is 80 kg not in average
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Jun 19 2012, 07:51 PM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 07:31 PM
No it couldn't, hyenas are ABOVE canids. They are a whole new level. The only thing a dire wolf would have over a hyena is agility.
yes it could but thats not the point, you still didin't explain how hyena is a tough match for leopard but a dire wolf is a complete mismatch
They are a tough match for a leopard because of there thick skin, size advantage and resilience.
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The problem is they never actually do.

True. lol

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They are however not as similar as they seem, for example, the spine of the hyena is relatively bear-like (and actually more extreme in some manners).

Seems like this could this be the / a factor in the hyaena's well-known durability; how they seem to take bites directly to the neck and back from larger predators and live.
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Jun 20 2012, 12:43 AM
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Jun 19 2012, 07:51 PM
k9boy
Jun 19 2012, 07:31 PM
No it couldn't, hyenas are ABOVE canids. They are a whole new level. The only thing a dire wolf would have over a hyena is agility.
yes it could but thats not the point, you still didin't explain how hyena is a tough match for leopard but a dire wolf is a complete mismatch
They are a tough match for a leopard because of there thick skin, size advantage and resilience.
and how do you know that dire wolf did not had as thick or even thicker skin? both dire wolf and hyena are in the same weight range (about 65kg), dire wolves hunted mega-fauna and had one of the strongest bites pound for pound in history, so dire wolf has weaponry advantage + agility all the other things should be more or less equal between D.wolf and hyena so I bet dire wolf should be a tougher match for a leopard in fact a very tough match
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The difference between a dire wolf and a grey wolf was not that drastic, sure they were bigger and more powerful, but I doubt there skin was thicker. And also have you seen the arcticle about a hyena dissection? The women said the hyenas neck was about the same size as her thigh, and she described it as a Horses neck on a big dogs body.

A leopard would not really have that much trouble beating a dire wolf.
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k9boy
Jun 20 2012, 10:32 PM
The difference between a dire wolf and a grey wolf was not that drastic, sure they were bigger and more powerful, but I doubt there skin was thicker. And also have you seen the arcticle about a hyena dissection? The women said the hyenas neck was about the same size as her thigh, and she described it as a Horses neck on a big dogs body.

A leopard would not really have that much trouble beating a dire wolf.
depends on what you think is drastic, and I dont know about skin after all its irrelevant, leopard is not going to kill D.wolf neither hyena by clawing while no matter how thick skin is it wont help from neck or throat bite.No i haven't but its not new to me that hyenas have long horse-like neck however even gray wolves have very thick necks

as you can see here, so dire wolves being more heavily built should have had even thicker necks
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dire wolf compared with grey wolf
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top left grey wolf, top right hyena
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Im not sure about age or gender of animals which those skulls belonged, IMO dire wolf was better killer and would beat hyena
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Jun 20 2012, 10:58 PM
k9boy
Jun 20 2012, 10:32 PM
The difference between a dire wolf and a grey wolf was not that drastic, sure they were bigger and more powerful, but I doubt there skin was thicker. And also have you seen the arcticle about a hyena dissection? The women said the hyenas neck was about the same size as her thigh, and she described it as a Horses neck on a big dogs body.

A leopard would not really have that much trouble beating a dire wolf.
depends on what you think is drastic, and I dont know about skin after all its irrelevant, leopard is not going to kill D.wolf neither hyena by clawing while no matter how thick skin is it wont help from neck or throat bite.No i haven't but its not new to me that hyenas have long horse-like neck however even gray wolves have very thick necks

as you can see here, so dire wolves being more heavily built should have had even thicker necks
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dire wolf compared with grey wolf
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top left grey wolf, top right hyena
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Im not sure about age or gender of animals which those skulls belonged, IMO dire wolf was better killer and would beat hyena
A lot of that wolf's neck in the picture looks like fur.
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stopped hyana wins stronger bite,more muscular,size avantage
dire wolf speed,agiliity
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Amphicyon
Jun 19 2012, 08:05 PM
Ever compared the intraspecific fatality rates between hyenas and wolves? Seems the wolf is at the advantage in that regard.
Ever compared the intraspecific fatality rates between wolves and hyenas in areas where no lions are present? That would be a fairer comparison, considering the wolf doesn't have to contend with non-wolf predators that actively hunt them down.
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My vote goes to the hyena.
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