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| Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,532 Views) | |
| Taipan | Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM Post #1 |
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Dire Wolf - Canis dirus The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous. ![]() Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs). ______________________________________________________________________
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| Kaszilla | Jul 21 2012, 04:12 AM Post #61 |
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55/45 in favor of the hyena. |
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| Bandog | Jul 21 2012, 06:00 AM Post #62 |
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Everything else is just a dog.
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To be honest, I have never read all that much about inter clan fights between hyenas. Whenever it comes up in a documentary, they usually seem more intent on punishing intrusion as opposed to killing the competition (from what I have seen). Wolves will kill each other when they need to but it would be interesting to see how their skull biting would go on a hyena, given its skull appears to be a sturdier structure. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 06:05 AM Post #63 |
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You do know even a large male grey wolf has the ability to kill a hyena right. |
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 06:38 AM Post #64 |
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It has the ability but it will most likeley lose badly in a fight. Like how a black mamba might have the ability to kill a mongoose but it will almost certainely always lose in a fight against one. Edited by Wild, Jul 21 2012, 06:40 AM.
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 07:01 AM Post #65 |
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You do know wolves are more practiced fighters than the hyena who is rather very slow.and I mean VERY slow.the wolf being bigger and more powerful than the awds the hyena faces would be able to use the same tactic as the awds use but with greater force.hyenas are rather poor fighters.a large grey wolf could beat a hyena
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 07:46 AM Post #66 |
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Dude AWD's just harrass and bite hyena's until they loose they get really irritated/discouraged and run off. That would be a horrible tactic to use on a hyena if it wanted to actually kill it. Also evidence they're more combative fighters and hyena's are more fighters? Hyenas commonly have intrapecific squabbles which enforces aggression. The hyena's awkward leg lengths make them slower but hyena's are way more robust and durable. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 07:48 AM Post #67 |
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Wolves have higher mortality rates amongst eachother than hyenas.that shows they fight ALOT more Also its a horrible tactic for awds as they dont have the size nore power to do damage that way the wolf does. Plus hyena durability is overrated Edited by Black Ice, Jul 21 2012, 07:49 AM.
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 07:54 AM Post #68 |
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No it's a great tactic for AWD because they don't want to kill the hyena the purpose is to just drive them off and it works most of the time. It would be an awful tactic for the wolf becuase it's trying to kill the hyena and biting it on the posterior while darting in and out is not an effective killing method. Also I doubt a wolf is as light on it's feet as an AWD not to mention the AWD's size helps because they are harder to catch than a big alpha male wolf. Hyena durability is a little overrated but it helps, it's neck muscle are described to look more suitable on the body of a horse than a 100 something pound carnivore. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 07:59 AM Post #69 |
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Im sure the wolf isnt far off from the awds agility. Also it would be a great tactic for the wolf as unlike the awd.the wolf has the jaw power to take huge chunks out of the hyenas legs and posterior.im pretty sure the limbs of the hyena arent as robust as their body. Also the wolf has the stamina and intelligence and power to know that hyenas are slow turners and use the awds tactic A wolf is twice the size of a awd not to mentions it is taller and longer than the hyena giving it greater reach.the wolf has the power to cripple the hyenas back legs rather easily |
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| k9boy | Jul 21 2012, 08:11 AM Post #70 |
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A spotted hyena would muller a grey wolf and a dire wolf. No canid can beat a spotted hyena . |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 08:14 AM Post #71 |
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Is that all you got? |
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 08:40 AM Post #72 |
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Yes becuase the wolf is going to be thinking and making conclusions that the hyena has poorer mobility and you're exaggerating the hyena's maneuverability, a motivated matriarch isn't going to sit their and have her legs torn out. Also hyenas have just as much stamina coupled with a huge pain tolerance, stripped hyenas will play dead and let dogs bite them without so much as retaliating. I'd pull up an account of spotted hyena agility but this isn't the place for gray wolf vs spotted hyena. |
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| k9boy | Jul 21 2012, 08:41 AM Post #73 |
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Its all been said before, and I really can't be arsed to say it again. I'm tired of repeating myself. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 08:42 AM Post #74 |
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The wolf isnt gonna sit an get bitten by the hyena. Wolves have survived bison encounters Hyenas rarely survive being killed by lions The wolf is durable enough to combat a hyena Also might as well be a dire wolf is just a little bigger than a grey wolf Edited by Black Ice, Jul 21 2012, 08:44 AM.
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 08:43 AM Post #75 |
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Then why post that in the first place? |
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