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| Dire Wolf v Spotted Hyena | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM (37,531 Views) | |
| Taipan | Jun 17 2012, 05:58 PM Post #1 |
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Dire Wolf - Canis dirus The Dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis, and was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch living 1.80 Ma – 10,000 years ago, existing for approximately 1.79 million years. lthough it was closely related to the Gray Wolf and other sister species, Canis dirus was not the direct ancestor of any species known today. Unlike the Gray Wolf, which is of Eurasian origin, the Dire Wolf evolved on the North American continent, along with the Coyote. The Dire Wolf co-existed with the Gray Wolf in North America for about 100,000 years. The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Despite superficial similarities to the Gray Wolf, there were significant differences between the two species. The legs of the Dire Wolf were proportionally shorter and sturdier than those of the Gray Wolf, and its brain case was smaller than that of a similarly sized gray wolf. The Dire Wolf's teeth were similar to the Gray Wolf's, only slightly larger, pointing to a hypercarnivorous to mesocarnivorous activity. Paleontologist R.M. Nowak states the dietary characteristics are primarily carnivorous as well as partially omnivorous. ![]() Spotted Hyena - Crocuta crocuta The spotted hyena (Crocuta crocuta), also known as the laughing hyena or tiger wolf, is a species of hyena native to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is listed as Least Concern by the IUCN on account of its widespread range and large numbers estimated at 10,000 individuals. The spotted hyena is the largest extant member of the Hyaenidae.[43] Adults measure 95.0—165.8 cm in body length, and have a shoulder height of 70.0-91.5 cm. Adult male spotted hyenas in the Serengeti weigh 40.5—55.0 kg (89—121 lb), while females weigh 44.5—63.9 kg (98—141 lb). Spotted hyenas in Zambia tend to be heavier, with males weighing on average 67.6 kg (149 lb), and females 69.2 kg (153 lb). Exceptionally large weights of 81.7 kg (180 lb) and 86 kg (190 lb) are known. It has been estimated that adult members of the now extinct Eurasian populations weighed 102 kg (225 lbs). ______________________________________________________________________
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 08:47 AM Post #76 |
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Never said the wolf was going to sit and get bitten. You think a bison knows how to kill better than a lion? I know it's impressive to survive a bison kick or what not but the bison is focused on escaping and is running as well this is compared to a lion which has no other thought on its mind than to try and slaughter this hyena. When the wolf is darting in and out its larger body size is going to make it an easier target for the hyena's jaws and unlike when AWD's harass hyenas the hyena is actually going to be motivated to kill the wolf. Listen this isn't for dire wolf vs hyena this is for gray wolf vs hyena and on that thread hyena supporters pretty much successfully refuted all that was used to defend the wolf. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 08:48 AM Post #77 |
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Not really it was all just repetion Also a dire wolf is basically a bigger grey wolf and most likely acted the same Edited by Black Ice, Jul 21 2012, 08:49 AM.
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| k9boy | Jul 21 2012, 08:50 AM Post #78 |
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Because you said a grey wolf could beat a spotted hyena, I corrected you. Yes wolves are much better fighters, but are completely outmatched in strength and durability. Yes a hyenas durability is quite overatted, but still is impressive. If you think the hyena is gonna let the wolf run circles around it and bite its ass then your wrong. It will catch the wolf out, and once it has grabbed the wolf its game over. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 08:53 AM Post #79 |
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Tigers are outmatched by bears in power and durability yet people still favor the cat Your point? Also hyenas power and durability is also overrated as they pretty much are play toys for leopards and lions. Your point? Also why are you so irked by the fact im siding with the wolf. I did say a wolf can beat a hyena.i even doubt youd say a wolf would lose 10/10 |
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| k9boy | Jul 21 2012, 08:57 AM Post #80 |
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Sorry if I was rude. Maybe the dire wolf would have a chance, but I just dont think the grey wolf has what it takes. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 09:00 AM Post #81 |
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its ok I thought you were attacking me for thinking different. |
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 09:02 AM Post #82 |
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Wolf supporters: Wolves are durable as well, have you seen the clip of the wolf being bashed about by the bison also id say wolf jaws are better designed to cause damage Hyena supporter rebuttal: More damage than a lion's jaws can? ![]() The Lion was trying to kill this Hyena and had a pretty good grip at his throat. He dragged the Hyena around a bit and later changed his grip to the neck/head of the Hyena. Several times I could here the crushing of bones. http://egildroge.blogspot.com/2009/05/lion-vs-hyena.html Note that this hyena actually survived. Wolf supporters: Numerous people credited the wolf with better agility Hyena supporter rebuttal: ![]() Jules Gerard (1856) The adventures of Gerard: the lion killer, comprising a history of his ten years' campaign among the wild animals of Northern Africa, p.88 Now for the punchline (to quote Gato Gordo): The "hyenas are unbalanced, stiff-necked, stiff-backed, slow moving punching bags" needs to go the same way as the "bears are clumsy, lumbering meatbags" argument. |
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| Black Ice | Jul 21 2012, 09:11 AM Post #83 |
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You forget that 99%of the time if the lion wants to kill the hyena it will. I never said they arent agile(well maybe I did).im just saying the wolf is more This fight isnt as one sided as most think |
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| Wild | Jul 21 2012, 09:44 AM Post #84 |
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Well opinions will be opinions |
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| Frank | Aug 4 2012, 01:41 PM Post #85 |
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Autotrophic Organism
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Bump |
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| Wild | Aug 4 2012, 01:41 PM Post #86 |
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uhhh, what? |
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| Frank | Aug 4 2012, 01:46 PM Post #87 |
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Autotrophic Organism
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People were no longer posting in this thread so I "bumped" it so that others may see it and continue to discuss it. I did this because I'm interested in hearing what others might have to say about it. |
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| Veli | Aug 4 2012, 07:21 PM Post #88 |
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Heterotrophic Organism
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is there any known cases of single hyena killing other hyena ? |
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| k9boy | Aug 4 2012, 07:36 PM Post #89 |
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I havn't seen one. But there is a case of 2 hyenas fighting, and one of them is so badly injured you could see its skull in the photos. |
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| Veli | Aug 4 2012, 07:40 PM Post #90 |
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Heterotrophic Organism
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I would like to see that, |
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