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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,658 Views)
Kaszilla
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Aug 2 2012, 11:09 AM
So a bobcat will kill a coyote
A serval will kill a fox etc
Those are all cats even taipan said he doubts a caracal bobcat etc will be able to overpower coyotes etc
Small cats dont have the overwhelming robusticity to overpower a dog. The cl is the exception
I really couldnt care less if people think all cats are leagues above dogs.
What im still not getting is why dogs lost their ability to grapple with the forelimbs though.
I don't think BC vs coyote is fair. Bobcats are a great deal smaller on average. And redfoxes are bigger than cats. My female cat chases dominate male Chihuahuas out the yard.
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You cant compare a fox to a chiwuawua
Also their are cats equal in size to foxes
Why were chiwuawuas made? I really dont get why youd make a breed that frail and small
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 2 2012, 11:54 AM.
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53 AM
You cant compare a fox to a chiwuawua
Also their are cats equal in size to foxes
Why were chiwuawuas made? I really dont get why youd make a breed that frail and small
The Chihuahua is a good bit bigger than my cat.
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A fox will destroy any chiwuawua how tf you spell that?
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Jul 31 2012, 10:42 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:23 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:14 PM
im sure dogs have strong necks, but on average feline necks are shorter so are normaly stronger and help them deliver deep Puncturing bites.
Depends completley of the species. A jack russell will have a stronger neck at parity then a similarly sized cat, And a leopard will have a stronger neck then a similarly sized dog/wolf.
Indeed, but thats why i said on average a felines shorter neck would normaly give it greater strength
so going by that, hyenas neck is pathetically weak
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Starkiller
Aug 2 2012, 11:09 AM
So a bobcat will kill a coyote
A serval will kill a fox etc
Those are all cats even taipan said he doubts a caracal bobcat etc will be able to overpower coyotes etc
Small cats dont have the overwhelming robusticity to overpower a dog. The cl is the exception
I really couldnt care less if people think all cats are leagues above dogs.
What im still not getting is why dogs lost their ability to grapple with the forelimbs though.
Errm i think you will find that Taipan very much thinks Bobcat Caracal->Coyote

I dont understand why you are bunching all small cats togeather, Serval,bobcat,wildcat,Euro Lynx will all differ greatly in strength, i might as a well just say all domestic dogs are weak compared to there wild relatives as most of them are.

Dogs lost there ability to grapple to become better at running, like deer and horses lol becoming stiff legged, see dogs are runners and not fighters, leave that to the Cats and bears :P
Edited by FelinePowah, Aug 2 2012, 07:30 PM.
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Jul 31 2012, 10:42 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:23 PM
FelinePowah
Jul 31 2012, 10:14 PM
im sure dogs have strong necks, but on average feline necks are shorter so are normaly stronger and help them deliver deep Puncturing bites.
Depends completley of the species. A jack russell will have a stronger neck at parity then a similarly sized cat, And a leopard will have a stronger neck then a similarly sized dog/wolf.
Indeed, but thats why i said on average a felines shorter neck would normaly give it greater strength
so going by that, hyenas neck is pathetically weak
When did i say a dogs neck is pathetically weak, i said on averavge a cats shorter neck would be stronger.
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Aug 2 2012, 07:11 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:23 PM
FelinePowah
Jul 31 2012, 10:14 PM
im sure dogs have strong necks, but on average feline necks are shorter so are normaly stronger and help them deliver deep Puncturing bites.
Depends completley of the species. A jack russell will have a stronger neck at parity then a similarly sized cat, And a leopard will have a stronger neck then a similarly sized dog/wolf.
Indeed, but thats why i said on average a felines shorter neck would normaly give it greater strength
so going by that, hyenas neck is pathetically weak
When did i say a dogs neck is pathetically weak, i said on averavge a cats shorter neck would be stronger.
when did i say that you said that? sorry but you seem to have a hard time comprehending the meaning of sentences, if shorter neck equals stronger neck then hyenas neck would be especially weak as they have exceptionally long necks however hyenas are known for having very strong necks, shorter does not mean stronger
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Aug 2 2012, 07:41 PM
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Aug 2 2012, 07:28 PM
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Aug 2 2012, 07:11 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:42 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:23 PM
FelinePowah
Jul 31 2012, 10:14 PM
im sure dogs have strong necks, but on average feline necks are shorter so are normaly stronger and help them deliver deep Puncturing bites.
Depends completley of the species. A jack russell will have a stronger neck at parity then a similarly sized cat, And a leopard will have a stronger neck then a similarly sized dog/wolf.
Indeed, but thats why i said on average a felines shorter neck would normaly give it greater strength
so going by that, hyenas neck is pathetically weak
When did i say a dogs neck is pathetically weak, i said on averavge a cats shorter neck would be stronger.
when did i say that you said that? sorry but you seem to have a hard time comprehending the meaning of sentences, if shorter neck equals stronger neck then hyenas neck would be especially weak as they have exceptionally long necks however hyenas are known for having very strong necks, shorter does not mean stronger
No shorter really does normaly mean stronger, Hyenas may just have immense neck muscles to compensate for there long neck, shrink their neck and it would be even stronger.

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Aug 2 2012, 09:16 PM
No shorter really does normaly mean stronger, Hyenas may just have immense neck muscles to compensate for there long neck, shrink their neck and it would be even stronger.

I'm not really convinced that shorter automatically means stronger. I think it's more a question of leverage. A shorter but thicker arm would express more strength for executing certain actions, for instance pushing. In some instance longer arms and muscles can be an advantage, for instance a boxer can deliver an explosive blow at greater range.
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53 AM
You cant compare a fox to a chiwuawua
Also their are cats equal in size to foxes
Why were chiwuawuas made? I really dont get why youd make a breed that frail and small
My friend witnessed his cat get killed by a fox. They cannot kill one face to face as they don't have the strength to bring down a similarly sized cat, but there jaws are pretty strong for there size, if they can get one from behind they can kill it.
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Aug 2 2012, 07:22 PM
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Aug 2 2012, 11:09 AM
So a bobcat will kill a coyote
A serval will kill a fox etc
Those are all cats even taipan said he doubts a caracal bobcat etc will be able to overpower coyotes etc
Small cats dont have the overwhelming robusticity to overpower a dog. The cl is the exception
I really couldnt care less if people think all cats are leagues above dogs.
What im still not getting is why dogs lost their ability to grapple with the forelimbs though.
Errm i think you will find that Taipan very much thinks Bobcat Caracal->Coyote

I dont understand why you are bunching all small cats togeather, Serval,bobcat,wildcat,Euro Lynx will all differ greatly in strength, i might as a well just say all domestic dogs are weak compared to there wild relatives as most of them are.

Dogs lost there ability to grapple to become better at running, like deer and horses lol becoming stiff legged, see dogs are runners and not fighters, leave that to the Cats and bears :P
You arent even worth my time anymore and no if you had any sense in that cat fan half brain you have and read the thread I linked its clear
Coyote>caracal and bobcat. God it feels like im talking to a stubborn 3 yr old
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 3 2012, 02:00 AM.
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Aug 3 2012, 01:00 AM
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53 AM
You cant compare a fox to a chiwuawua
Also their are cats equal in size to foxes
Why were chiwuawuas made? I really dont get why youd make a breed that frail and small
My friend witnessed his cat get killed by a fox. They cannot kill one face to face as they don't have the strength to bring down a similarly sized cat, but there jaws are pretty strong for there size, if they can get one from behind they can kill it.
The ones I seen the fox grabs the cat by the face and shakes em
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Aug 3 2012, 01:19 AM
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Aug 3 2012, 01:00 AM
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Aug 2 2012, 11:53 AM
You cant compare a fox to a chiwuawua
Also their are cats equal in size to foxes
Why were chiwuawuas made? I really dont get why youd make a breed that frail and small
My friend witnessed his cat get killed by a fox. They cannot kill one face to face as they don't have the strength to bring down a similarly sized cat, but there jaws are pretty strong for there size, if they can get one from behind they can kill it.
The ones I seen the fox grabs the cat by the face and shakes em
You've seen a fox kill a cat? What happened exactly?
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The fox got in the neighbors backyard
It didnt know the cat was back there too.
They were hissing and growling for about 5 minutes and mock charging
The the fox just attacked and bit the cats head while the cat was scratching its face up
The fox shook the cat for about 3mins then walked away
I live in rural areas so red foxes are quite common
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