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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,651 Views)
k9boy
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Aug 4 2012, 05:13 AM
Well it happens with them I dont get why theyd allow themselves to be beaten with clubs rocks etc
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF71FF55077E0864B
Vids etc state they are the least aggressive cats
So what if they are? A snow leopard is not gonna let a mastiff attack it. No animal would. Seriously, If you think a snow leopard is just gonna lay down and lick itself while a big dog attacks it then your mad. (No offence, its just a really ridiculous statment)
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Even after reading that isolated account, there is no way in hell I'd engage a snow leopard bare handed.
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Aug 3 2012, 08:06 AM
k9 what was it before? now it is 50/50 what did you think it was before ? in favor of who? cats cant kill a adult fox they just fend themoff easy


unlike with coyotes it is like 1 in every thousand cats has ever fended off a coyote attack
Why cant a cat kill a fox?
It can overpower one at parity, but its jaws are too small to kill one.

You dont need massive jaws to apply a suffocating hold, how do you think a small bobcat can kill a deer far larger then itself.
I think a bobcat has far more power behind its jaws then a cat. And a deers neck its kinda thin, Even I could probably fit my mouth around a deers neck (Try not to imagine that).
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I don't care how docile a leopard may be, it will fight back agasint a serious threat.
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I found it hard to believe at first too. But whether it's anecdotal evidence of shepherds beating snow leopards to death with clubs/rocks or fishing cats killing hunting dogs/small female leopards, there probably is truth in the stories. The authors of "Wild Cats of the World" thought the accounts were credible enough to be included in the book (as did Desmond Morris in "Catworld") and they offer no disclaimer saying that the stories should not be taken seriously (the Sunquists do so in other instances). Obviously, snow leopards can be quite passive and fishing cats quite formidable. These reputations don't just develop out of thin air. Of course they could be isolated incidents, but it doesn't mean these events never occurred.
Edited by dinocat, Aug 4 2012, 07:23 AM.
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we dont know the age or sex of these snow leopards they also could have been sick leoaprds going into attacking domestic stock


We do know that snow leopards are no where near the aggression to people the way a normal indian leopard is which have thousands of thousands of adult humans under their belt, on top of that invidividual indian leopards who were hurt and old have killed over 500 humans by themslelves. NO animal alive under 200 pounds have ever done this alone. That i am aware of.


cougars it seems depends they dont seem as blood thursty for people some are not that aggressive to other animals but i have read many accounts of single cougars killing many dogs LGD dogs when they lose their fear of dogs or when they turn aggressive in a way a cougar can be just as bad as a leopard only they are just not as dangerous to people but they get a HUGE lack of respect to dogs. There was a declawed cougar here let free and it killed a few german shepherds :( they shot the cougar because he would not stop attacking the shepherd even when people were honking hornes and making noise.
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MUSKOKA, ONT. - Ontario’s Ministry of Natural Resources has confirmed that an animal killed by police on the weekend was a cougar, long believed extinct in the province.

Police were called after the large cat killed a family dog in the Muskoka area.

There have been thousands of believed sightings of cougars in Ontario over the past few years, but this marks the first confirmed cougar killed in the province since 1884.

On Monday, MNR spokesperson Jolanta Kowalski said the cougar appeared to be in good health prior to its death.

The animal’s body was to be delivered to the University of Guelph for further examination.

Last Thursday, provincial police issued a warning to residents in the Muskoka neighbourhood between Bracebidge and Huntsville, about 225 kms north of Toronto.

According to local residents, the cougar prowled the area of Middaugh Rd., west of Highway 11, again on Friday night. After trying and failing to attack a family dog Friday, it attacked and killed another on Saturday.

Christine Middaugh, whose cousin’s dog was the victim of the cougar attack, said she heard three gun shots Saturday.

“(My cousin) was at home alone so my husband got ready and ran up there,” says Middaugh, who took photos of the dead cougar. “It was pretty scary.”

Kowalski said there has never been a reported attack of a cougar on a human in Ontario, and there is no cause for alarm among the general public.

After numerous sightings of cougars all over Ontario, and extensive studies, the Ministry of Natural Resources confirmed in 2010 that print and hair evidence proved that cougars never actually went away, but that their population is so scant the beasts were rarely seen.

The population of the reclusive cats may have also been supported domesticated cougars that had escaped over the years.

There were reports that the cat shot Saturday appeared to have been declawed.

“What is important is that there are free-ranging North American genotype cougars in Ontario that have originated from an unknown combination of released, escaped, native, or dispersing animals,” MNR senior scientist Rick Rosatte said Monday.


this dog turned out to be a german shepherd and was the second dog killed by the poor declawed pet cougar which obv has no hunting skills


thats why staffy and pits are worthless cause the animals we could one in a million in our life need protection from like a cougar or a bear if they press an attack they would eat any dog alive, but just about any dog can bark and bluff a big cat or bear away like a house cat chases black bears away.
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Police shoot cougar after attack on German Shepherd

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UTTERSON - Police shot a cougar over the weekend after it viciously attacked a German shepherd in Utterson, leaving it for dead.

Hearing her family dog Indy scream shortly before 10 p.m. on Saturday July 7, Middaugh Road resident Doreen Rick ran outside to find a cougar mauling the pet. The cougar didn’t budge when her grandson’s girlfriend attempted to scare it off.

“She let the air horn off and it didn’t affect it at all,” said Rick. “She screamed because he picked the dog up — and she’s a small white German shepherd — and dragged it across the lawn and just laid on him and chewed on him.”

The vicious attack left the dog clinging to life.

“It chewed on its head and went right down to the skull,” said Rick.

Rick phoned police while the attack was going on, who told her to stay indoors and to keep all windows and doors closed. The cougar then turned its attention to Rick’s other pets.

“It came right up to my screen after seeing my cats sitting in the window and started pacing,” she said. “We closed all our windows, took the cats away and it went back to the dog again.”

Rick said police arrived within minutes and shot the cougar. Even then, the animal did not go down easily.

“It took six shots to actually put it down,” said Rick.

On the morning of Monday, July 9, OPP Const. Maureen Tilson confirmed that officers had shot a cougar over the weekend, and that crews from the Ministry of Natural Resources were also called. The cougar was taken away by ministry crews after the shooting.

Although few other details were disclosed, Tilson said police would release an official statement on the incident later in the day.

Despite the attack, Indy proved more resilient that his attacker.

“The police were standing there, they had shot the cougar … they wanted to know what to do about the dog, and all of a sudden they said ‘oh my god he jumped up,’” said Rick. “He jumped up; he was dazed of course because he was all chewed in his head.”

Indy was taken to a local animal hospital, but in the end was also dispatched.

“We just had him put to sleep, because he was chewed right down to his skull above his ears and his head,” said Rick.

After the attack, Rick said both she and police approached the owner of Guha’s Tigers and Lions, an animal farm in Utterson that features wild cats. Rick was convinced that because the cougar is declawed, it did not come from the facility.

“It’s got nothing to do him with him whatsoever; he said I would not declaw a wild cat like that,” she said. “He said ‘I would never declaw a cat,’ he said that is cruel. He swears that it is not his cat.’”

The incident has left Rick both shocked and stunned. She said she hasn’t even seen a deer in the area for years.

“It wasn’t scared of people and we kept saying, what if there was a kid out there playing and not just a dog? That’s the scary thing,” she said.
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I feel so sorry for the cat and so sory for the dog both ended up dead both had crappy owners
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amphicyon we dont need a super serious (bent on killing) or even want a super forward dog for protecting livestock


The ones in rural areas some are good they mostly again go on bluff if that doesnt work some will fight some will flee but almost all the time when these dogs are in numbers they never have to fight because they are so sharp they can hear anything and make the most insane savage noise the predator will go and find more easy food.

A leopard will kill one usually if it can find it by itself hence in india they put spiked collars on the guard dogs.

It isnt needed to be a serious predator fighter the best thing is to be a very sharp dog towards other animals and to be a good bluffer. On the other hand they need to be able to dispatch feral dogs and other dogs that cross the line.

VEry rare does a wild predator cross the line and try to battle with a bucnch of guardian dogs. IT would have to have something seriously wrong with it.
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Seriously? Who's more robust at parity? Depends on the canid and felid.

A Wolf is stronger than a Leopard at parity, while a Cougar is slightly than a Wolf at parity, this isn't because of lifestyle
at all, but rather because of the individual species. A Feline may be able to use it's limbs better, but that does not mean it is more muscular. Moles are some of the most robust animals pound for pound but they don't have grappling or highly rotationable forelimbs.

In the instance at parity I'd favor a Canid.
Sure the Cat may have the so called "longer teeth" (Wolf and Cougar canines are the same length) but the Canid prevails in bite, stamina, height, and a stronger neck the majority of times.

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No a wolf is weaker than a leopard at parity.
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Oh shit, that changed my opinion, should listen to you in the future, you make such convincing arguments.
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Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
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He is a cat hater and Over rates Canids at every chance it is senseless really dogs are weaker
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